The harsh truth about Tory policies

Emy1501

StevieJ wrote: »

So how much have they crashed since August 2007 during one of the worst financial crisis in modern history

Have a look at the people trying to sell their house thread on the housing forum especially posts over the last few weeks. I suspect the crash has a bit of a way to go yet.

nearlynew

Emy1501 wrote: »

I will say it once again I do not vote Tory and will not be voting at the next election. As far as I'm concerned there is not much difference between either of the main 2 party's these days and as Lib Dems will never get in its a waste of time.

I only bash Brown because he was the man in charge who got us into this mess with our banks etc. I would bash the Tories if they were in charge. Whether they would have made a better effort on the economy over the last 12 years is anyones guess. One thing we do know is that they could not have done much worse.

I know what you're saying and your disillusion is shared by many people.

But the real problem is not politicians (lying f*cking thieves that they are) but with our debt-based money system set up by their masters - the banks.

Party politics is just a front which gives us the pretence of democracy and sets us against eachother while the real villain slips away un-noticed.

nembot

StevieJ wrote: »

So how much have they crashed since August 2007 during one of the worst financial crisis in modern history

That's a very valid point actually StevieJ and I think the majority including myself, thought we would be in a far worse situation than we are now.

However, back in the tale end of 2007 nobody could of predicted the vast amount of help the government would provide either, in order to keep losses to a minimum.

The question is... was it worth it and has it stopped the recession in it's tracks or just delayed the inevitable?

kabayiri

OMG, I think I have spotted something which I and LizEstelle agree on.

Cuddly Dave, "Diddy" Dave, Hug-a-tree Dave, they all add up....he's just got that TV/media friendly persona.

That's going to be worth a few votes from those who judge on personality.

Oh, and Brown? He ranks up there with Nixon in his televised broadcasts against JFK. He looks like he is about to have a seizure. I feel sorry for him.

StevieJ

leveller2911 wrote: »

House prices should always be geared sensibly to wages and in this area of East Sussex they just aren't and its no difference around the country...I agree its good to see some sales but its not sustainable given that wages are low....

People got too greedy ...........

What does that mean? people call in the estate agent, he values the property and it then goes up for sale, where is the greedy in that?

leveller2911

StevieJ wrote: »

What does that mean? people call in the estate agent, he values the property and it then goes up for sale, where is the greedy in that?

Ive said it so many times on here in the last year or so......

Far too many people overstretched themselves with 125% mortgages they couldn't afford just to keep up with the Jones.People would buy a house for say £180k slap a coat of paint on the walls ant put it back on the market for £220k and some Chav knob would walk in dragging his knuckles on the floor and say "Like it,want it , need it" irrespective of whether or not he could afford it .

The banks being the greedy fekkers that they are would lend stupid amounts because they were set to get a nice big,fat bonus at the end of the year......

The government was greedy it failed to see past the Banks smoke screen that everything in the garden was rosey, they just kept feeding the Golden Goose thats nigh on ruined the country ,not to mention the next generation who will still be paying for it and don't kid yourself this mess will be sorted out when the banks recover and the government sells off the taxpayers share for yet another LOSS as usual.............

So to sum up, Yeah GREED on a huge scale....:rolleyes:

Now 12 -18 months on we are all in the sh1te and suffering for it.

Jeez ,I suppose my problem is I have a conscience;)

EDIT: Got a headache now.......Just taken a chill pill....

Thrugelmir

nembot wrote: »

That's a very valid point actually StevieJ and I think the majority including myself, thought we would be in a far worse situation than we are now.

However, back in the tale end of 2007 nobody could of predicted the vast amount of help the government would provide either, in order to keep losses to a minimum.

The question is... was it worth it and has it stopped the recession in it's tracks or just delayed the inevitable?

The Government is pumping in money to keep the banks afloat. The losses are real and will be paid for by every taxpayer in the country.

RBS has the single largest investment by any Government in a single bank in the world. RBS is unlikely to show a profit in 2010 on current forecasts.

Mr Darling now runs the largest hedge fund in the world. With all his investments in one sector of the economy.

Mr_Mumble

LizEstelle wrote: »

Does one detect the teensiest bit of tendentious codswallop in the interesting use here of the terms 'unfortunately', 'nonsense' and 'correct'..?

Darn, you've got me, I dared to present my point of view on an Internet message board. We could argue about the latter two until the cows came home but 'unfortunately'? I'd want students to have both sides of the argument presented come what may.

LizEstelle

Mr_Mumble wrote: »

Darn, you've got me, I dared to present my point of view on an Internet message board. We could argue about the latter two until the cows came home but 'unfortunately'? I'd want students to have both sides of the argument presented come what may.

Yep, I dare say Hitler would have wanted to have his 'side of the argument' presented to students....

If you apply a partisan load to your language but expect people to take what you say as undisputed fact, don't be surprised if others point this out.

whathavewedone

And you're not partisan I suppose?!

You display a stunning lack of self awareness.

If people vote tory they will say so, there's no need to accuse people of being "closet" tories.

I think you're living in the last century. It is no longer cool to vote Labour and people are happy to admit to voting Conservative.

I used to vote Labour, abstained for the last two elections and will now, after a great deal of thought and consideration, be voting Tory.

I could argue with you from now until Kingdom come about the various ways that Labour has let down the poor and how they are not the party of the working class (the non working class maybe) but I really can't be bothered.

If you do work for Labour HQ, good luck in selling 5 more years of Brown.