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The harsh truth about Tory policies

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  • mbga9pgf
    mbga9pgf Posts: 3,224 Forumite
    liz, you are going to get a serious wake up call when the tories get in.

    Together with the lilly livered sandal wearers that have practically destroyed our nation in 10 years. Equating what I said with the Halocaust is a typical response from left wing extremeism and for many, its just as despicable as the BNP.


    You might be happy with giving our nations wealth away to lazy people and the state supporting reverse Darwinism, the majority is silently seething.
  • treliac
    treliac Posts: 4,524 Forumite
    LauraW10 wrote: »
    Money for the poor is a good stimulus to the economy because it gets spent.

    By that reckoning, we'd have a thriving economy. :rolleyes:

    What is 'poor'? How and who is defined as being poor. No-one (with children anyway) needs to go without in this country.

    IMO it should really pay someone to be in work. So many jobs are minimum/low wage that don't pay enough for rent on a property, council tax, untility bills plus food and clothing. Families on full benefits get funds for all these costs.

    You know, you can throw as much money as you want at people and some will spend it wisely on behalf of firstly, their children and then themselves.

    Others will squander it on whatever and their children will be just as 'poor' as if their parents had none.

    Poverty is not just about how much money someone has you know.
  • kabayiri
    kabayiri Posts: 22,740 Forumite
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    These are hardly right wing ideas folks.

    Hamish makes a good point about living within our means.

    It's a great principle, but I note 2 things :-
    a) timing of cuts is a tricky thing to get right. This I can concede to Liz/etc
    b) given the scale of our problems, it wouldn't be a bad idea to make savings across all the social classes. I remember Tax Payer Alliance making a conservative estimate that we lose 18.5bn per annum to tax mitigation tactics using offshore companies. About time we tried to claw something back there. By the same token there are definitely savings which can be made in the benefit system. As it stands, its the middle classes who seem to be the easy tax targets.
  • should increase the penalties for speeding imo
    Prefer girls to money
  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    LizEstelle wrote: »
    Spot on.

    Be careful, however. You are not making a friend of the right-wing ranters on here.

    They would rather not be told that the best way out of recession is not to help them but rather the worse off who will actually spend the money on goods and services instead of paying off mortgages...

    Come on.

    You don't have to be a right winger to see that the benefit system has imploded into not just a benefit system, but a way of life, a way of life in which you come dependant on the state, and therefore, controlled by the state in many ways.

    The system has become very generous, too generous to some of those groups using it.

    The generosity towards some of those groups using it has created a divide in society. That's not a good place to be.

    Like many a labour policy, the system at the moment cannot contiune....there are just not the funds to pay for it. Not without taxing those who pay for it even more....which just causes those who pay for it, to be worse off than those recieving it.
  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    edited 7 November 2009 at 11:09PM
    LizEstelle wrote: »
    Or maybe they understand but just don't want to know...

    There are so many variables in accidents. Speed is just one contributory factor.

    Whether that be high speed, or mind droning speed which causes you to switch off and "feel safe" in your little bubble, while your concentration lapses.

    If speed is such an issue, I would love you to explain why the autobahn in Germany is one of Europes safest roads....a road with no speed limit.

    Speed IS an issue, when it is used in the wrong place, and in the wrong manner.

    So unless you can tell me the answer to that question, I'd rethink what you said and I quoted ;)
  • treliac
    treliac Posts: 4,524 Forumite
    should increase the penalties for speeding imo

    It would be interesting to know how many people have been put off the roads, i.e. lost their licences due to reaching max points. I know someone who went to court and presented some sort of plea that enabled them to keep their licence. Wonder how often this happens.

    It's hard not to conclude that speed cameras are largely a form of taxation and an easy way of raising funds.

    Swindon has refused to continue with speed cameras and has chosen to implement other forms of road safety -

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/8178347.stm
  • shuze
    shuze Posts: 749 Forumite
    treliac wrote: »
    It would be interesting to know how many people have been put off the roads, i.e. lost their licences due to reaching max points. I know someone who went to court and presented some sort of plea that enabled them to keep their licence. Wonder how often this happens.

    It's hard not to conclude that speed cameras are largely a form of taxation and an easy way of raising funds.

    Swindon has refused to continue with speed cameras and has chosen to implement other forms of road safety -

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/8178347.stm

    Speed cameras are a tax on the stupid.
  • I don't have a problem with taxing drivers for driving too fast to bring in extra revenue imo
    Prefer girls to money
  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
    HAMISH_MCTAVISH Posts: 28,592 Forumite
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    edited 7 November 2009 at 11:22PM
    LizEstelle wrote: »
    Ooh, we've discovered a Clarkson...

    When will these petrolheads ever learn?

    No matter how debatable speed may be as a cause of accidents, it is surely up there as number one suspect when it comes to the consequences - injuries and fatalities.

    What is so difficult to understand about 'the harder you get hit, the more it hurts'..?
    Or maybe they understand but just don't want to know...

    See "Autobahn" for answers..... One of the safest roads, with one of the the lowest fatality rates, in Europe.

    And no speed limits on most of it.

    I have no doubt that if you reduced the speed of all vehicles to 10 mph, and forced pedestrians to wear padded suits and helmets all the time, fatalities and serious injuries would be reduced to almost zero.

    It's not a world I want to live in though.
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
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