MSE Pregnancy Club 17

Gillby1

Pigpen - your experience sounds terrible, it must take quite a lot of courage to keep on having more babies!

MGEB - don't forget that bad experiences are really very rare, and that most surgeons are very experienced and do know exactly what they're doing. I know my local labour ward has a high c-section 'turnover' (for want of a better word) and i know so many people who've had them there, and i don't know of one person that's had any complications resulting from the surgery. I'd rather have a natural birth, but if a caesarean is thought to be the best option for me and the baby then i'll definitely go ahead with it. If it wasn't for the NHS, i wouldn't be here 4 or 5 times over!

I do understand that your concern is based more on what your partner has been told, though. Could you find out more from the person he spoke to?

pigpen

my_gorgeous_ellie-belle wrote: »

And the fact you are still having more babies so it can't have been the end of the world....;)

Gillby1 wrote: »

Pigpen - your experience sounds terrible, it must take quite a lot of courage to keep on having more babies!

Not really.. I just won't let the poor practice and incompetence of one individual ruin my entire life.. he nearly ended it that is as close as he is getting! I am the most stubborn creature ever to draw breath!

I was also told there was no way it could happen as I was menopausal and the extent of the damage done. not one to prove people wrong me..

I am also travelling 60 miles to Leeds because I will NOT go to the abertoire they call a hospital here.

Gillby1

my_gorgeous_ellie-belle wrote: »

See I was scared for ages after DD to have another even though mine was a nice straightforward procedure (much like Redstar's experience).

Oh, just realised you've previously had a c-section! Out of interest, are you encouraged to have a c-section for future babies as a matter or course, if you have one with your first? That's something i'm worried about - if i go for a c-section this time, it might be difficult to give birth to future babies (hopefully at least two more!) naturally.

redstararnie76

Because of the c-section I had before, I was sent to meet with the consultant. He wanted to know if I had considered having more children after this one, and he advised against having a planned c-section if I were going to have more as he felt that this would be increasing the risk - as it is I'm planning for this to be the last, so he felt that it was really my choice and the risks of having a c-section again this time were very small.

Edited to add: if I had wanted a natural birth, he also felt that it would be ok and that the risk of something going wrong was little more than it would be for a first time birth (but this is based on my notes and my particular circumstances).

pigpen

Gillby1 wrote: »

Oh, just realised you've previously had a c-section! Out of interest, are you encouraged to have a c-section for future babies as a matter or course, if you have one with your first? That's something i'm worried about - if i go for a c-section this time, it might be difficult to give birth to future babies (hopefully at least two more!) naturally.

You are TOLD you don't HAVE to have another section but they will make it pretty much impossible for you not to have.

They will tell you it is dangerous (when in fact evidence shows otherwise) they will also tell you anything to get you back on that table!

Do your OWN research and go in armed!!!

my_gorgeous_ellie-belle

Thanks Gilby - yes i prob could, but i don't think he was meant to tell me at all but just to be forwarned and look out for me when the time comes...i know what she means by what she told him though as most of the people at hosp i have spoken to are all for a trial labour and think i'll be absolutely fine given my circumstances last time (even the top consultant who i have now been refered to and who i have come to trust says i should be fine and i'll be watched so closely anyway - he just want's a deffinate go ahead from the neurologist re my TIA's as thats not his field - which i completely understand and i'm really grateful he's being honest about).

It's just each time i end up on labour ward (every TIA and everything else i keep being sent in for) there are a few doctors who i have seen a few times who keep talking about possible c-section...and one is the same one that keeps keeping me in for no real reason, grrrrr She also told me i musnt go home after that positive test the other day as i'd most likely be having bubs that night...v.wrong of her, i went on to tell her no coz i think i know the difference - she was V.reluctant to give me the discharge form, kept me waiting about 4 hrs for it. She didn't seem that surprised to see me walking in fine and dandy yesterday either so she couldn't have really believed i was going into labour like she had told me.

He(hubby) always talks to his mum just for some advice and a second opinion whenever i'm sent in - i think she has just come to a likely conclusion and is now getting a bit concerned for me, hence telling him to be clued up. I wish i was closer to her (distance wise, lol - i am close to her relationship wise) as i'd really trust her as my midwife and know she would do whats best for me first and foremost - no budget or stats of the hosp would come into it!

The budget and filling beds thing that she says makes complete sence though for the hosp i'm at - every time i have been in i have been kept for days on end (sometimes over a week) without any real intervention or monitoring (just a doppler each morning and a BP test a few times a day - even though i was in for non-pregnancy related reasons, lol). It's not just me either - there are always 2 or 3 other ladies on the ward fighting to go home, continuously being told a doctor will see you soon, and the doctor doesn't materialise till 3-4 days later. They always have spare beds in every room too. They were willing to keep me in for 3 weeks extra once, just so i could wait for the neurologist to get back from his holiday - that to me was nuts as i'd have no intervention until he got back and thats when i discharged myself.

Big difference from when i had DD (that was nearer london) - they desperately needed beds so when they could discharge someone, they'd do so v.quickly. Shame we can't have a nice balance, lol!

I know most surgeons need a practise - i didn't mean at all that meant they weren't already fully trained and would make mistakes and you'll come out with complications for it - NOT AT ALL. I was just so angry to hear that they would take the route they want for some stats/budget rather than try and do the right thing and get every woman through a natural birth to the best of their ability, like you expect them to as you are putting a great deal of trust in them. You never want to hear your c-section was unnessecary

The type of issues that have cropped up after i mentioned it hadn't even come into my mind when i initially wrote it. I had a great c-section and i had expected every one is done to a high standard - whether it be for stats or not - i mean these surgeons have years of training before touching a real person.

I feel bad for bringing it up now as it just seemed to spiral downwards with info we all prob don't want to hear. Sorry ladies!

my_gorgeous_ellie-belle

Gillby1 wrote: »

Oh, just realised you've previously had a c-section! Out of interest, are you encouraged to have a c-section for future babies as a matter or course, if you have one with your first? That's something i'm worried about - if i go for a c-section this time, it might be difficult to give birth to future babies (hopefully at least two more!) naturally.

I was advised exactly as per Redstar stated in her post - i do want possibly two more too so have been advised by the consultant (and most of the MW's) that VBAC will be fine and the best course of action. Just a small amount riskier than first time - obviously they take into consideration why you had one in the first place, if it's for breech usually the next labour should go smoothly just reliant on next bubs being head down. Mine was negligence which is on my notes but in fuzzier terms so they think i am capable of giving it a good go

Just for some silly reason the few Dr's on labour ward keep mentioning another even though they know i really do not want one (initially i thought i needed another one as that's just what you tend to assume as was the case years back, but after plenty of advice otherwise i now know it's not the case )

After 2 sections though the risks do go up even more and they'll be more inclined to consider a 3rd planned one -beyond this (from what i have researched) no unit is willing to let someone even attempt a natural after 3 sections due to the strain on the scars.

kitkat5566

MYLITTLESISTERLOLA wrote: »

20 week scan today, all is well, baby was doing head stand and sonograph lady had problems getting measurements as he/she was having a little party, swirling, punching & kicking it was hilarious.

Anyway she reckons my dates should be moved forward by 8 days which would leave me 10th August, she has recommended this to the doctor in my notes so now I have to wait & see if he agrees . Anything to make pregnancy shorter !!!!!

Hope everyone else is well

Glad you scan went ok MLSL, and I hope your feeling better soon. The sonographer said that bubs was 1 week 4 days over what I was, but she didn't mention anything about putting it in my notes, I will have a better look now but I couldn't see anything there before. Don't wana keep this baby in a week and 4 days more than needed really!! That would make my EDD 4th August which is bit of a difference with the original 15th August! I will check with my MW.

All this talk of C sections is quite scary, OH's cousin has been twice now to have her baby turned, she has found both occasions agony, and no luck with moving baby. She has been booked in for a C section 2 weeks prior to her due date which I found abit strange...

my_gorgeous_ellie-belle

Lol - Kitkat, tell her about Spinningbabies.com (or co.uk, can't remember)

LOL anyone would thing it was my website, haha....no i just think it's another thing to try and help so why not - it's got rave reviews on netmums (or mumsnet) that's why i'm gonna try it if bubs is head up after all

The reason they do it two weeks before due date is really bubs is classed full term and fully developed to thrive well from 37wks...also a planned c-section is 1) more handy as it's all prepared but also 2) slightly less risky than an emergency one So they see it as best to get her in before labour starts naturally

Deffo get that date changed too

CAFCGirl

i think i should have stayed offline all day LOL

All this talk of c-sections etc scares me...... maybe when im further along, and it seems more real, i could read it better, but right now its just like ARGH!!!!!

Had a little cry earlier on with pain, and drama of when we walked our dog last night.... didnt go into it last night or this morning coz it was just scary to me.
Basically we're walking Gordon and then this family come out of a house behind us, as Gordon has stopped to take a widdle. They must have been about 50 yards behind us. Anyway two kids, maybe 8-10 years old, have these two dogs, a staffy and a terrier. Anyway they all come running up the road and the terrier jumps on our dog from behind, I didnt even know they were there, the kids have no strength to control these dogs, and of course, Gordon was !!!!!! scared, because he hasnt met them face to face, they're twice his size, and jumping all over him, so ive got Gordon on lead and trying to pick him up, and these dogs are then jumping at my legs which means I drop Gordon, and DH is trying to pull back on these other dogs leads, and all these kids are saying is "they wont hurt him its ok"....

God Ive set myself off crying again now writing it....

Parent of kids eventually walks up the road, and just mutters sorry... so I'm standing there with Gordon in my arms, just telling him Im sorry....
I know it wasnt a rational response but we wait a little while before walking again and i just start crying. DH thinks its sweet, and pregnancy related (hes not wrong) but I just feel guilty that I couldnt protect him, I dropped him, I know he's ok and not harmed, but I smashed my knuckles into wall because these dogs are jumping at me, and i didnt have time to put my hand out palm facing to stop myself falling over....
And then of course Im all upset that when I get further along i wont be able to walk him because i'll be bigger and cant protect him....

I know it probably all sounds really stupid and Gordon is absolutely fine, but he quite literally was my replacement baby after losing our first and I just cant shake this feeling that I cant protect him and look after him.......

Anyway must try and stop bawling like a fat whale on the sofa LOL and do something jolly to shake my mood