Michelin Energy Tyres

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mikey72 wrote: »

I don't think I'll be putting track day tyres on my mpv.
Well maybe if I take the ladders off the roof.
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

That was kind of my point. Someone stated they'd heard that "Toyos are terrible in the wet", which is silly when Toyo make so many tyres. You might as well state that "VW make slow cars"

cyclonebri1

Lum wrote: »

You might as well state that "VW make slow cars"

Or "all Renaults are unreliable" ;)

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cyclonebri1 wrote: »

Or "all Renaults are unreliable" ;)

That's different.

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cyclonebri1 wrote: »

Or "all Renaults are unreliable" ;)

Not all, but many are.:)

cyclonebri1

Thinking about it VW do make slow cars, but as above not all of them are, , but then again not all Japanese cars are fast, or reliable :A

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Not all, but most are reliable.:)

bigjl

mikey72 wrote: »

I've never used Toyo's, mainly as I've seen reviews slating their grip in the wet. Mind you, I've seen good reviews as well.
I guess you'll never please all of the people all of the time!

The previous generation Toyo Proxes the T1S, where a bit noisy and wore out quickly.

The newer Proxes T1R is a better tyre, might not look as "sexy" as the old agressive tread pattern, but they also wear better and are much improved in the wet and snow.

Been using both for years. I think they are one of the best tyres for wet weather use, not sure where you have read the negative reviews of them, all reviews I have seen rate them in such conditions, especially in the newer tread model.

Though I think it unfair to compare a Michelin Energy Eco tyre with Toyo Proxes. They are intended for different uses, just happen to cost about the same.

Don't know why some think Toyos are bad in the wet, unless they were not Proxes, as Toyo do make lots of different tyres for different usages etc.

I have used Zafiras (120 CDTi, Auto, 205/55/16 tyres) with Goodyear tyres, NCT's were not bad, they suited the older Astra MK4 much better. No difference found between them and the newer Goodyear Excellence tyers.

The Michelin Energy was fitted to one Zafira all round, and the car was a bit of a handful in the wet, probably better than the NCT Goodyear, they were also very quiet and had good ride comfort, a good choice for family motoring or general usage, certainly not good enough for Rapid Blue Light Use.

The Michelin Primacy was a very good tyre on the Zafira also, quiet, progressive. Definately a good tyre to use.

Winter use with Michelin Alpin tyres on same model Zafiras showed just how good a winter compound can be in the cold and wet, if you have the pockets for them then recommended.

After several winters on GoodYears and normal Michelins they proved a night and day type revelation.

A Michelin will always last longer than the average tyre, only my opinion, but one that is shared by many.

The newer Toyo T1R last a lot longer than the older T1S did.
I will need to change mine soon on the MOndeo, though I did rotate them last year, they all still have almost 3mm all round, they have done at least 30k, very impressed with the longevity. I would think that if I hadn't rotated they would have gone 20k front and 40k rear maybe better.

If I have the £120 a corner then I will put on Michelin Primacy, but would put on Toyos rather than Michelin Energy as they are very similarly priced.

jase1

A recent AutoExpress tyre review (2009 I believe) criticised the Michelins for their wet grip.

At the end of the day, as with many other things, tyre design is a compromise. The ES tyre lasts well and has a low rolling resistance. With that comes a harder compound -- so they don't grip as well in the wet.

People jumped on the Nankang comment as if the NS-2 is the worst tyre in the world. It isn't. It actually shares a few things in common with the ES. It has a relatively hard compound so also lasts well (but costs half as much). It's not a bad budget tyre as they go -- grip is similar to the ES in my experience, as is longevity. But I'd rather have the safety in all honesty -- those extra few pennies don't amount to much if your car hits a tree.

cyclonebri1

That's the point I was making earlier there is no "one size fits all" solution with tyres. It always a trade off/compromise and we chose the tyre that "we" feel best fits our individual needs.

Keeping them correctly inflated with adequate tread and undamaged is probably a more serious consideration.;)

davidjwest

I've now done 43k on the Michelins (Pilot Primacy HP) and am just about down to 3mm, time to look for replacements, anyone got any recommendations for me to consider?

Car is a Mondeo 2.0 TDCi Estate.