Michelin Energy Tyres

cyclonebri1

maybe going off topic, but back in the 70's I owned Vivas, Marinas and mk 1 escorts. The choice budget tyre of the day was Stomil, polish I believe. 15 years later the Koreans were making them under licence:D:D:D:D

Earlier, 1968 to be exact. Honda fitted there CB250 bikes with Bridgestone tyres. Big name now, but back then the Japanese did not know the meaning of the word rain, or wet. The were known as Nylon or when you found out, suicide shoes

davidjwest

bigjl wrote: »

Was this a typo, as the Primacy is the premium performance orientated tyre and not the same as the Energy.

Some of our cars at work had Energy's fitted, some had Primacy's.

I have tried both and found both tyres to be quieter and better than the Goodyear's previously fitted, but the Primacy's where far superior in the wet, not as big a difference in the dry, but my preference would be the Primacy's.

I haven't done enough miles in an Energy exqipped car to notice any fuel consumption improvement, but the Zafiras at work never get much more than 18-20mpg anyway.

Yep, Pilot Primacy to give them their full name - I was told these had the benefits of the Energy tyres but were better for grip etc and Costco didn't do the Energys for my car anyway so I got the Primacy.

davidjwest

Strider590 wrote: »

Im sorry, but this statement scares the crap out of me......
I might penny pinch on ANY part of my car, but NEVER on tyres.
Even to the point of buying 4 new tyre's for my last car because the previous owner (fleet) had put a mix of brands all round the vehicle.

Tyres are your SINGLE most important factor in keep your car out of the nearest ditch. Each tyre's has a contact area the size of your palm, and this is literally all that stands between you and the pearly gates.

As for "driver ability", any good driver will know the value of a decent set of tyre's.


Car manufacturers spend millions of £ and months of testing on finding the best tyre for ever new car they produce!
Then 4 years down the line some pillock has the original tyre on the rear right (all cracked and dried out), a "Mega Hamster Tiger" on the rear left, a "Super Hedgehog GX" on the front left and a "Ditch Finder XLS" on the front right........

Did you read my post? I got Michelin Primacy tyres in the end, happy? I read a lot of reviews and these came out well in surveys and were actually just about the cheapest as well, so everyone is happy!

I check the tread depth every week, currently just under 5mm all round, will replace when they get to just under 3mm.

Been driving 20 odd years never had an accident, apart from 2 people rear-ending me, maybe they had the ditch finder tyres on?

:rotfl:

bigjl

davidjwest wrote: »

Yep, Pilot Primacy to give them their full name - I was told these had the benefits of the Energy tyres but were better for grip etc and Costco didn't do the Energys for my car anyway so I got the Primacy.

They are an excellent tyre in my opinion, we now have them fitted to our response cars, after three years of asking for better tyres than the GoodYears, the goodyears where OK, but the Michelins are far superior.
I wouldn't be surprised if you got 40k out of the set if you rotate them.

You have to love the tyre offers at Costco when they come up, sadly every time I need a set of tyres the offer isn't on, and when it is am too skint to buy them to fit later, note to self, must win Lottery.

davidjwest

I'm just about to go over the 40k milestone with these tyres and they are just about down to 3mm so will be looking to replace soon - hopefully Costco will have another deal on with them!

Will certainly get them again as they've been very good indeed, never had any scary moments, good wear, quiet etc.

Viper_7

Forget looking at MPG savings when looking at tyres, the differences are so marginal, you can increase fuel economy much more effectively with driving style.

The same tyre also performs different on different vehicles. Rather than just looking at reviews for that tyre type, do some searches for said tyre against your vehicle.

At the end of the day there are only a few square inches between you and the road, my priorities would be more towards performance in the wet, then the dry, and then longevity, then noise, etc.

davidjwest

This tyre got one of the top scores in the Autoexpress tests that were done last year for performance and safety as well as economy so I'm extremely happy with them. You're right about the small MPG improvement, it's probably less than 1 extra MPG overall but over 40k that probably means these tyres have paid for themselves.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/products/total_tyre_guide/259498/verdict.html

I've no affiliation to Michelin other than being a satisfied customer.

jase1

My experience with these eco-tyres is that their wet grip is as bad as the typical budget "ditchfinder". Very squirrelly.

On that basis, why not save £40 a corner up-front and buy something one step above the bad tyres?

You'll never make that £40 back over the typical life of a tyre, and receive no better grip for the privilege.

The one thing I would say on this subject as well is that it is extremely dangerous IMO to be running a tyre below 3mm. Grip is severely depleted past this point, and the tyres also become noisier so I'd imagine that rolling resistance is adversely affected as well.

All this nonsense about saving 0.5mpg here -- in theory -- is symptomatic of a general misunderstanding going on amongst the driving public. Buying the right car -- the most reliable, with the safest tyres and brakes -- and not just going on mpg is the way to save money in the long run. A car is not economical if it's constantly breaking down and ends up in a ditch.

Just buy a decent, mid-range tyre like the Kumho KH31, Falken 452, Uniroyal RainExpert etc and be done with it.

mikey72

jase1 wrote: »

My experience with these eco-tyres is that their wet grip is as bad as the typical budget "ditchfinder". Very squirrelly.

Which ones have you had?

jase1

Michelin Energy Saver.

No better than the Nankang tyres they replaced.