another speeding ticket help

wobbley

---lee--- wrote:

I don't agree with speeding, full stop,

So you'll be happy in 10-15 years when none of us will be able to speed at all? When the use of technology will make it impossible for any of us to do anything but 'nudge' the limits - even me on my 'clear motorway'. (Not that I have done it in over 10 years anyway.)
The bad practice of crazy driving by the few will ruin it for the many. Most of the pleasure from driving will be gone, there will be no 'deterrent', there will be no 'getting away with a few MPH over the limit'. Ridiculous speed limits will be enforced because they can do it and get away with it. The Galileo satellites and being hailed as a great advancement in navigation technology, just wait and see what else they will be used for.

---lee--- wrote:

- except for late at night when the vandals move in to burn them down.

That's unfair - it was an accident !

wobbley

gregg1 wrote:

I have just posted a reply on another thread where you and I are completely on the same wavelength about something so its a bit of a shock to now read your post on here. Sorry to say this but if the first bit of your post is true then you are indeed one of those people you refer to in your last sentence!

Its just plain arrogance to think you are above the law - because you have decided you can be trusted to drive at 140 mph then we should accept that. I can only hope and pray that the misjudgment you display above is not reflected in your driving - for all our sakes!

sorry to reply in this vein wobbly - like I say, I usually find myself agreeing with you on so many other things.

Yeah - right, 'another holier than thou' merchant.

I did it a couple of times over 15 years ago and am using it as an example - for gods sake! The way most of you are hammering me you seem to think I drive like that all the time. READ THE POST

Has every poster slating me for admitting to doing 140 never gone above a speed limit in their life? How many of you have ever gone above 70 mph ? How many have ventured up to 100mph because you just wanted to top the '100' ? How many have been well above that, a good few - I bet.

For most of you thinking I'm an idiot, either - You haven't read my post and understood that the conditions were SAFE. Or - one of those that say it's never safe to go that fast - you've probably never been that fast - so you DON'T KNOW !

And for the record I was a professional driver for nearly 20 years (and I don't mean a bus or taxi driver !) and have done over three quarters of a million miles on HM Highway. Last (and only) points - 3 back in 1987. Last blameworthy accident back in 1991 (but other driver was in a Merc !) So from an insurance point of view (Hmmm, maybe |I'm digging my own grave here!) I am regarded as fairly safe. I'm NOT the Subaru owning, 'foot to the floor' and 'sod everyone else I'm above the law' lunatic that you seem to think I am.

Backbiter

wobbley wrote:

I'm NOT the Subaru owning, 'foot to the floor' and 'sod everyone else I'm above the law' lunatic that you seem to think I am.

It's because there are so many of them - who have taken countless innocent lives over the years by simply driving too fast and having no regard for others' safety - that I am happy to see speed cameras on our roads. You obviously do observe most speed limits or you'd have run up stacks of points in recent years as all these cameras have sprung up.

cannyscot_2

Turning_into_scrooge wrote:

Four years ago i was stopped at a roundabout just about to set off when i was hit from behind by a 67 year old woman who was clocked at doing 70 in a 30 zone. She left me severely disabled for the rest of my life. Her excuse? She wasn't concentrating as she'd had a bad day and was rushing to get home.

I was going to make a suggestion to the OP but having read this changed my mind.

Plus Ive just been overtaken by a taxi driver holding and using a mobile at 46 on a 30 roadwhich has just had expensive speed calming measures fitted due to high accident rate on this road. -East renfrewshire taxi diriver!!

Teerah

wobbley wrote:

Yeah - right, 'another holier than thou' merchant.

I did it a couple of times over 15 years ago and am using it as an example - for gods sake! The way most of you are hammering me you seem to think I drive like that all the time. READ THE POST

Has every poster slating me for admitting to doing 140 never gone above a speed limit in their life? How many of you have ever gone above 70 mph ? How many have ventured up to 100mph because you just wanted to top the '100' ? How many have been well above that, a good few - I bet.

For most of you thinking I'm an idiot, either - You haven't read my post and understood that the conditions were SAFE. Or - one of those that say it's never safe to go that fast - you've probably never been that fast - so you DON'T KNOW !

And for the record I was a professional driver for nearly 20 years (and I don't mean a bus or taxi driver !) and have done over three quarters of a million miles on HM Highway. Last (and only) points - 3 back in 1987. Last blameworthy accident back in 1991 (but other driver was in a Merc !) So from an insurance point of view (Hmmm, maybe |I'm digging my own grave here!) I am regarded as fairly safe. I'm NOT the Subaru owning, 'foot to the floor' and 'sod everyone else I'm above the law' lunatic that you seem to think I am.

Yes but you are missing the point too wobbley, I'm sure the reckless drivers who have caused fatalities thought that they were safe drivers and above the law too :rolleyes:

Also, if you do cause an accident that only involves yourself, are you really suggesting that your death would not affect anybody else on this planet?? Perhaps if you truly had nobody who cared for you, who would be affected if you were killed or seriously injured, then I would understand the reckless behaviour.

IvanOpinion

wobbley wrote:

To imply I'm reckless doing 140 then go on to say how you did 168 shows you did not understand the point I was trying to show and you think 'legal' and 'safe' are the same thing.

As an aside Ivan, being on a works Honda puts you at a far higher risk of suffering a technical malfunction at high speed whether you're on track or road. (Thats from experience, not just an opinion)

As I said the speed I was clocked at was on a test track under proper supervised conditions. (and was the same flamin lap that the instructor cam around the outside of me and took off into the distance). I accept there was a risk, and having raced on several occasions is something I was totally aware off ... but when I did it it was LEGAL. To say otherwise we may as well cancel Formula 1 and have a lot of grannies doing 25mph around the track (although some would say that describes F1 perfectly).

Anybody doing 140mph on a public road is a unquesitonably a fool and should have their licence removed from them immediately and then made to reread the highway code detailing the laws of this land. I don't care what the road or road conditions were like .. it was a public road with speed limits.

Ivan

Gorgeous_George

OK, consider this.

I was fined £60 and awarded 3 points for the heinous crime of driving, allegedly, at 35mph in a 30 zone. It was dry day, not near a school. My car was in good condition. The brakes had recently been replaced. There were no pedestrians on the pavements or on the road. I was alert and had not had an accident or points on my licence for almost 20 years but I got caught by a man in a van trapping people on a point where the road sloped downwards. Entrapment in my eyes.

On the other hand, some months later, my wife stopped at the back of a long line of traffic. Some doddery old woman drove into the back of her - not immediately, the DOW was some distance behind my wife when my wife stopped. My wife's car was written off and her neck has never been right since. Many hours spent in physio etc. Both drivers were breathalysed and negative. DOW didn't get any points or a fine but, no doubt, had her car fixed under protected no claims insurance (my guess).

If it's considered reasonable to fine people for speeding by even the smallest amount and to endorse their licence which could lead to a ban, then it must be reasonable to fine someone and award points when they drive into someone else's car causing actual bodily harm to the driver or passengers and delays to other road users.

Every 'accident' should incur a fine and points.



GG

IvanOpinion

Gorgeous_George wrote:

Every 'accident' should incur a fine and points.

I am not 100% convinced by this but can not think of a speicifc scenario to explain .. sometimes accidents just happen, it is nobodies fault.

Personally I think the legal and the insurance should be totally separated. Each person insures themselves and their family ... no more of this 3rd party insurance nonsense. If an accident occurs the police and courts will determine blame, fines, points etc. and each party calims from their own insurance .. if they have no insurance then tough, they gambled, they lost.

Ivan

wobbley

IvanOpinion wrote:

As I said the speed I was clocked at was on a test track under proper supervised conditions. (and was the same flamin lap that the instructor cam around the outside of me and took off into the distance). I accept there was a risk, and having raced on several occasions is something I was totally aware off ... but when I did it it was LEGAL. To say otherwise we may as well cancel Formula 1 and have a lot of grannies doing 25mph around the track (although some would say that describes F1 perfectly).

Anybody doing 140mph on a public road is a unquesitonably a fool and should have their licence removed from them immediately and then made to reread the highway code detailing the laws of this land. I don't care what the road or road conditions were like .. it was a public road with speed limits.

Ivan

Yep, like I said you don't understand the point.

IvanOpinion wrote:

I am not 100% convinced by this but can not think of a speicifc scenario to explain .. sometimes accidents just happen, it is nobodies fault.

Personally I think the legal and the insurance should be totally separated. Each person insures themselves and their family ... no more of this 3rd party insurance nonsense. If an accident occurs the police and courts will determine blame, fines, points etc. and each party calims from their own insurance .. if they have no insurance then tough, they gambled, they lost.

Ivan

And you call ME a fool !!!!!!!!!!

---lee---

wobbley wrote:

So you'll be happy in 10-15 years when none of us will be able to speed at all?

Yep. We'll be lucky if we can afford to buy petrol by then anyway!

That's unfair - it was an accident !