another speeding ticket help

hilary1

wobbley wrote:

With respect - that's !!!!!! ! It's what we are being told on the telly and ads but it is all tosh. Speed does not kill. Now if you combine speed with careless or negligent driving then, yes it can be a contributing factor but it is never the main cause - more likely 'stupidity' is
No one EVER had an accident just because they were going fast. Not making allowances for road conditions, poor observation, driving too close, etc. are all things that cause accidents. Of course it is 'easier' to drive more safely when going slower but you don't 'have' to drive slow to be safe. A good experienced motorist can go well above the speed limit in the right conditions and still be a lot safer that 90 year old 'Granny' in her Micra teetering along at 25mph, BUT - she can't see further than her wipers ! Or boy racer in his Subaru WRX that has no respect for other road users and just wants to show off his 350+bhp to his mates.
It's like saying guns are dangerous - they aren't, but add an idiot behind the trigger and it's lethal.

Should we take it that you are a man?

What has a 'good experienced driver' got to do with it?

Speed will kill someone as for one thing if some-one steps out you dont have a chance to slow down more or stop in time and the speed you are going can determine whether they live or not in many cases. If you speed and get caught stop whinging about it.

Good drivers stay within reasonable speed limits dont they or is it just arrogance that says some-one can be a good driver at any speed. Bit like the person who says a few pints doesnt effect them either. Total rubbish!

Gorgeous_George

Back to the point.

You could take the case to court rather than just paying up. You run the risk of a heftier fine, court costs etc.

If the photograph was snapped from behind, it may be difficult to prove who was driving. Could you claim that you cannot remember who was driving at the time.

To be honest, I considered it when I got caught doing 35 mph but, in the end and after receiving written responses to 3 letters, I decided I'd had my £60 worth in their admin time and paid up.

The main difference is that I now would not go out of my way to help the Police.

Also, I drive at an indicated 30 in a 30 zone. People drive really close and overtake me at dangerous places. It has, IMO, hampered road safety but I will not pay again. Concentrating on keeping the speed at 30 must take some of my attention from the road and I don't think I am driving any more safely than I did before.

The only way to beat them is to not speed. not even by 0.1 mph. Then drive around knocking people down at 29mph and wait for the statisticians to work it out!

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Gorgeous_George

hilary1 wrote:

...as for one thing if some-one steps out you dont have a chance to slow down more ...!

May it be the stepping out that kills them? Anyway, dead people don't sue

hilary1 wrote:

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Good drivers stay within reasonable speed limits ...

Emphasis on the word reasonable. Some may consider the OP was driving reasonably.


What bugs me is the unfairness of it all. Alex bloody Ferguson was speeding up the hard shoulder when he was caught. His expensive lawyer claimed that AF was suffering from diarrhoea and needed to reach the services. He got off whereas, IMO, he should have been done for driving while unfit to drive as well as flouting the other driving laws.



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Murtle

Gorgeous_George wrote:

May it be the stepping out that kills them? Anyway, dead people don't sue

:rotfl:

thank you that just made me laugh

viktory

wobbley wrote:

No one EVER had an accident just because they were going fast.

Can we see you evidence to back this up please? Of course negligence has a hand in it, but going too fast means longer stopping distances. This can cause an accident which can cause serious injury and death.

IvanOpinion

wobbley wrote:

With respect - that's !!!!!! ! It's what we are being told on the telly and ads but it is all tosh. Speed does not kill. Now if you combine speed with careless or negligent driving then, yes it can be a contributing factor but it is never the main cause - more likely 'stupidity' is

It's like saying guns are dangerous - they aren't, but add an idiot behind the trigger and it's lethal.

I think your analogy is more like 'its not pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger that kills them ... it is the bullet a few milli-seconds later .. therefore the shooter should be released' ... speed kills, the majority of people can not control a car properly if they are driving too fast, they can not react quick enough, they can not predict ... that is what is known as wreckless or careless driving .. and if you have children in the car it should be treated as endangerment or negligence.

No one EVER had an accident just because they were going fast.

.. you can't in all seriousness believe that .. many accidents are caused because people are going too fast for th eroad and road conditions. You can not divorce the cause from the effect.

As someone once said to me .. you only ever question your speed after you have killed a child that runs out infront of you ... you then spend rest of your life wondering what if I had have been under the speed limit' ... SPEED KILLS

Ivan

wobbley

OK then, if speed kills I should be dead as a doornail ! I have in the past travelled at well over twice the legal limit on a motorway. And so you might think I'm irresponsible but on a totally clear motorway, not near any junctions, with absolutely no other traffic and I can see ahead for over a mile and the road is dry and the weather is clear I consider it safe. If there is other traffic, or any other potential hazard, even a bridge that someone could drop something off, then it's not safe and I'd slow down. Speed does not kill it's the driver's faliure to recognise and react to a hazard that causes accidents and exessive speed merely compounds the risk and makes the results worse.
It won't change the statistics a lot if everyone were to drive within the speed limits but still allow the idiots to drive recklessly.

Murtle

How can everyone say that speed kills, experience plays a large part hence why our police force are allowed to drive at faster speeds AFTER training. Yes, they do occasionaly kill people, but sometimes those people are the ones that walk out into a road without looking before crossing. I remember helping a group of teenagers out of a car that she had managed to crash severely going under the speed limit, but lack of attention and experience resulted in a very nasty accident, awful scarring for all concerend, and very nearly the loss of life. Speed is not the only cause of accidents, awareness, sleepyness, experience, road conditions, looking out for speed cameras and then slamming on your brakes cause you can't remember the last speed sign you saw out of the 100 or so on you way home all play their part.

hjb123

wobbley wrote:

OK then, if speed kills I should be dead as a doornail ! I have in the past travelled at well over twice the legal limit on a motorway

Travelling at more than 140mph on a motorway? Thats just plain irresponsible and stupid - noone needs to travel at that speed.

Gorgeous_George

hjb123 wrote:

Travelling at more than 140mph on a motorway? Thats just plain irresponsible and stupid - noone needs to travel at that speed.

Yep. That's stupid!

Hit a piece of debris on the road and you are a goner. Luck doesn't last forever.

Of course, 'well over twice the legal limit' could be 40mph in a 20mph zone.



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