can anyone recommend a good dishwasher - or ones to stay away from... 22 May 2006 at 4:27PM in In my home (includes DIY) MoneySaving 54 replies 17.2K views

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gromituk wrote:

So if you get what you pay for, then you obviously only get a little bit more than with other makes because you only pay a few quid more...

hello gromituk what I meant was that for an extra outlay in cash you usually get a more reliable product and it seems the case for a lot of things now days. here is a snipet from which for you to read. Reliability
Your response to our survey shows three brands that are more consistently reliable than others. Miele and Bosch dominate domestic appliances - washing machines and the like. They both stand out as particularly dependable in three out of our six categories. And their appliances aren't just reliable, they're well designed, too - both have several Best Buys to their names.

Sony stands out as the winner in electronic goods such as widescreen TVs and digital cameras. Of the eight electronic product categories, it's one of the most reliable brands in three. It's also among our current Best Buys in four electronics categories.

Your recommendations
Of the brands you'd recommend, Miele and Bosch get a big thumbs-up. Miele stands out in all six categories, and Bosch in four. Sony is among the best in every category it's in.

gromituk

This is from Which? I presume? I would be interested in seeing their survey methodology. Sony, for instance, has the huge disadvantage that it insists on its own proprietary way of doing things - memory sticks, ATRAC, etc. That might not seem to be much of a problem to affluent Which? readers but it's not a way to save money.

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gromituk wrote:

This is from Which? I presume? I would be interested in seeing their survey methodology. Sony, for instance, has the huge disadvantage that it insists on its own proprietary way of doing things - memory sticks, ATRAC, etc. That might not seem to be much of a problem to affluent Which? readers but it's not a way to save money.

This has obviously put a bee in your bonnet. I'm not affluent I'm using the free 30 day period you get with which.I would recommend you taking up the offer and taking a look at how they get their results.Plus you haven't recommended a dishwasher which is what this is all about.

gromituk

I haven't recommended a dishwasher because, as I have already said, based on a sample of one, I cannot give a sensible recommendation. What we can talk about here is features, not reliability. Someone earlier was slagging off Bosch dishwashers; the Which? survey would have much more weight than this.

David_Brent

I would only buy a "Bosch" dishwasher reliable and quiet and will last longer than most!

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gromituk wrote:

I haven't recommended a dishwasher because, as I have already said, based on a sample of one, I cannot give a sensible recommendation. What we can talk about here is features, not reliability. Someone earlier was slagging off Bosch dishwashers; the Which? survey would have much more weight than this.

This is meant to be what dishwashers to recommend or to keep away from and that is what everyone apart from one is doing.I recommend Bosch as our dishwasher has had no probs for 5 years and in my opinion that is good as friends have not been so lucky with other makes & now most have bought Bosch to overcome this problem.It is about reliability!Plus instead of joining which on the internet you can go to the library where you can read the magazine for free another great money saving place(library).

grumbler

gromituk wrote:

Because you can't see anything until you sign up for a "free trial"?

See Which dishwasher? .
More fresh (?) information:

All our Best Buy models are excellent at cleaning, drying and leaving dishes smear free. They must also be from a brand with a good reputation for reliability.
Full-sized freestanding models
Full-sized dishwashers are typically 60cm wide. Most hold 12 standard place settings and serving utensils (75 pieces of crockery and 52 pieces of cutlery). They’re the ideal choice for a large family or if you entertain frequently.
Our first recommendations are a duo from Miele. Miele is pricier than many competitor brands. But it is firmly established as a byword for excellence, notching up Best Buys in virtually all home appliance tests where it features. Miele also trounces the opposition as a brand you’d recommend that others buy, and its machines are reliable.

The Miele G 1230 SC, at £700 from Comet, isn’t cheap. But it’s outstanding on its main and eco programs, with unblemished results for cleaning, drying and leaving items smear free. What’s more, it’s admirably quiet and very easy to use. This model has an angled display panel, which some people find easier to access than flat ones. Other helpful features include a simple hoist and clip mechanism to adjust the upper basket height.


The Miele G 1220 SC is also a great choice. The only difference between this and the Miele G 1230 SC Best Buy is that this model has a traditional, flat control panel. It’s also substantially cheaper – available in Comet and Currys for £530.


AEG throws down the strongest challenge to Miele with a pair from its Favorit range. Matching the Mieles’ impeccable results for washing and drying, the AEG Favorit 40660 boasts quicker wash times than the Mieles, and an attractively cheaper price tag. On the downside, it’s slightly noisier, a little less energy efficient and you can’t alter the height of the upper basket on this model. You can buy it online for around £315.


The AEG Favorit 40860 is a little pricier than the 40660, at £460 from Comet. But with faultless cleaning, drying and smear-free finish, and a wash time of less than two hours on its main program, this is an excellent choice. Both AEG models (see also AEG Favorit 40660) have time-remaining indicators on their display panels.


The Miele G 2040 U is another fast, sub-two-hour machine. Drying suffers as a result, but cleaning is excellent. It can’t be used with a delay timer, though. So, Economy 7 users, you can’t set it to run later on cheaper electricity. It has no top and is designed to be fixed to the underside of a counter – in every other way, it looks like a freestanding model. It can be found online for around £482.


The Bosch SGS55C02 Classixx cleans dishes faultlessly, although we did notice a few smears and water droplets left behind on its main program. Handy features include a time-remaining indicator and an option allowing you to wash the upper rack only. It’s available in Currys for £280.


Slimline models
Slimline dishwashers are usually about 45cm wide and have space for eight or nine place settings. They’re most suited to couples and are great if kitchen space is limited. You won’t lose out on performance, though, as they usually work as well as their big brothers. Having said that, we don’t currently have any slimline Best Buys, but are continuing to test new models as they become available.


Semi-integrated and built-in models
If you want a dishwasher to co-ordinate with your kitchen cabinets, you can buy a built-in model (with concealed controls) or a semi-integrated one (where the control panel is visible).


The Siemens SE55M570GB, £520 from Comet, is our recommended semi-integrated model. It’s quiet and well designed, but the eco program’s cleaning is a notch down on the very best.


There are four built-in Best Buys to choose from. They tend to be more expensive than a comparable freestanding model.


The Miele G 1270 SCVi is the top-scoring built-in model – easy to use with a very effective, if rather slow, main program. It’s expensive, though – a whopping £850 from Comet.


A little cheaper and much faster, the AEG F86070VI cleans just as well as the Miele – better, even, on the eco program. It costs £720 at Comet.


The Electrolux ESL 6115 is a fraction of the price but just as good. Its main program leaves dishes spotlessly clean, dry and smear free, all in less than two hours. The upper basket is of the ‘remove-and-replace’ type rather than the easier clip design. You can buy it for £400 from Argos.


The Neff S5457 is the quietest and most energy-efficient of the built-in Best Buys. It costs £700 from Comet. Neff makes only semi-integrated and built-in appliances and it’s consistently one of the most reliable brands in our annual survey.

VixxAnn

Well - I've gone for one...
I have ordered a Bosch Logixx SGS 65L28 for £398 delivered
Am quite happy with this once I did some research of my own but I suppose only time will tell!
Thank you for all the advice and general postings - didn't realise it would get such a debate

full-time-mum

tipsychick wrote:

Our Bosch dishwasher is eighteen years old and still going strong. It hasn't even broken down once. We live in a v. hard water area and it's always on at least once a day.

I do wonder though whether stuff now has a built-in working life. I bought my last Bosch washing machine and tumbledrier at the same time, only for them both to breakdown and need replacing within three weeks of each other. They only lasted seven years...

I wondered this too. My last microwave was a sharp and lasted 12/13 years with a replacement magnatron after about 8 or 9 years. Brought another sharp and the lcd display went after less than 2 and they told me it was £90 to fix - the thing cost just over £100 new!! Been using it as a basic minute by minute microwave without the fancy programs (as I can't see the settings) for another year but it is now completely rusty inside. Will be buying as cheap as possible, probably with a preference for a manual dial - I can now manage without the fancy programs and don't intend to waste money on them. I feel a trip to Tesco coming on!

I've had my hotpoint washing machine for 15 years and my local repairman has replaced the motor and the door (Spent about £30-£50 to get it to last another 4 or 5 years!). His advice was to hang onto it as long as possible as the newer machines only last about 5 years - luckily, he comes with a long list of recommendations and I trust his judgement.

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HI,

I am suprised that there are not more comments about Neff dishwashers on here. Mine is over 10 years old and still going strong. I have had no problems with it whatsoever and it has never been serviced. I just give it a clean out occasionally with the finish dishwasher cleaner.

I also had no problems with my Neff oven, hob or extractor fan in over 10 years. That was until my husband burnt that side of the kitchen down last month. Just had a new neff oven and hob refitted courtesy of the insurers.

I would also recommend Which, but if you can't get a free trial on line, your local library should hold the full edition of Which.

If you've got a water meter, you might be interested to see how much water the different dishwashers use. Some of the new dishwashers are more efficient than washing up by hand for a full load! So you can have the last laugh at all those green types who say you are killing the planet!

Happy Hunting.