PPC and Supermarkets - complaining about that Sainsburys leaflet!

Paradigm

DCFC79 wrote: »

Does it matter as long as you dont park where you shouldnt

You can extend that reasoning to any walk of life! We could save a fortune on Police, courts etc if nobody ever did anything they shouldn't!

Fact of life is that people do, especially if they think they can get away with it

Actually in the case of disabled bays at supermarkets they're not doing anything they shouldn't... the bays have no legal standing!

If you want to play the moral card then your on a loser before you start

juliescot

OrangeSteve wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with Private Sector Enforcement Bodies using the word "fine".

By using recognised industry terminology, it ensures continuity and puts the consumer at the forefront of the ticketing process.

I do enjoy a good laugh and this has cheered me up no end.

EDIT - Just had a wee look and see you have been dispensing your "wisdom" on parking matters far and wide. Well done, your employer in the parking sector will be proud

ginnersinner

OrangeSteve wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with Private Sector Enforcement Bodies using the word "fine".

By using recognised industry terminology, it ensures continuity and puts the consumer at the forefront of the ticketing process.

Ooh, OrangeSteve, I bet you came up with that sentence all by yourself and definitely DIDN'T take it from the publicity material of any private parking company. Perhaps you could explain for me what 'putting the consumer at the forefront of the ticketing process' actually means, just so I'm sure.

Coblcris

OrangeSteve wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with Private Sector Enforcement Bodies using the word "fine".

By using recognised industry terminology, it ensures continuity and puts the consumer at the forefront of the ticketing process.

Wrong. And the industry knows it.
Check with your cohorts on the impact of The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 and reasons that the BPA amended the Code of Practice and forced all members to sign up to it.
Read the Information Notes that the BPA issued.
And I do have access to all of them so please quote them accurately, if you attempt to quote them.

ginnersinner

And also, just because something is 'industry standard' doesn't make it acceptable, only that everyone in the industry uses it. There's an 'industry standard' for Phishing e-mails, but that doesn't mean we should put our details into them!!

molerat

OrangeSteve wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with Private Sector Enforcement Bodies using the word "fine".

By using recognised industry terminology, it ensures continuity and puts the consumer at the forefront of the ticketing process.

And the industry standard terminology for your posts is "a load of !!!!!!!!"

peter_the_piper

OrangeSteve wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with Private Sector Enforcement Bodies using the word "fine".

By using recognised industry terminology, it ensures continuity and puts the consumer at the forefront of the ticketing process.

To say nothing of the fact that the use of the word ""fine"" deludes the motorist into thinking its real and official. Congratulations on making 12 posts by the way, you have lasted better than the avarage troll.

MarkyMarkD

Cor, this thread does seem to bring out completely unrealistic suggestions (and comments) from all and sundry.

oldone wrote: »

I am sure that you would laugh and refuse to pay, so why should PPC's be allowed to adopt a similar business model in a free supermarket car park.

They are not "free". They are made available for customers to use, according to the terms and conditions under which they are offered. I.e. a disabled space is made available to those with a blue badge; a parent and child space is made available to those with a child of the relevant age. They are not free unless you are eligible to use them "for free".

juliescot wrote: »

If Sainsburys, or anyone else for that matter, wished to do something sensible about this they could, for example, introduce controlled parking areas, with barriers for those who use blue badges. They choose not to and seek the services of people who try to extort money from members of the public

A completely unrealistic proposal. How on earth would these barriers be opened? A blue badge isn't recognisable by a barrier. Nor is the fact that a child is in a car.

Oh hang on, maybe the barrier could be manned by an individual. Of course, that's completely realistic in terms of expense. :rolleyes:

bargepole

MarkyMarkD wrote: »

Oh hang on, maybe the barrier could be manned by an individual. Of course, that's completely realistic in terms of expense. :rolleyes:

If an "individual" wasn't wandering round the car park dishing out fake tickets, he could man the barrier at no extra expense.

Coupon-mad

[QUOTE=MarkyMarkD;25456613]Cor, this thread does seem to bring out completely unrealistic suggestions (and comments) from all and sundry.[/QUOTE]

Errr...yes, this is a public forum after all. :rolleyes: But I still don't think you actually 'get' the scam that is at the crux of this. You seem to be under the illusion that anyone can 'fine' or penalise another person because they deem their t&cs to have been breached.

Errr....no, that's not lawful and that's why most PPCs have had to change their signs & tickets to read 'parking charge notice' instead of 'penalty charge' and they don't usually mention the word 'fine' now. So why should Sainsburys and Tesco get away with using the 'fine' threat?

MarkyMarkD wrote: »

They are not "free". They are made available for customers to use, according to the terms and conditions under which they are offered. I.e. a disabled space is made available to those with a blue badge; a parent and child space is made available to those with a child of the relevant age. They are not free unless you are eligible to use them "for free".

But they are free. How much does the disabled customer or parent & child pay then?

MarkyMarkD wrote: »

Oh hang on, maybe the barrier could be manned by an individual. Of course, that's completely realistic in terms of expense. :rolleyes:

But hang on - this is something that some Supermarkets already do to control who uses their car park, rather than allowing PPC scum on their land.

I know of average-sized Supermarkets where there are barriers at the entrance and exit, manned by paid staff. I visited one of them today and asked the lady in the barrier kiosk if she worked for a private parking company - no, she works for the Supermarket. They have this barrier in order to stop non-customers taking up all the legit customer spaces. Why the heck should they NOT extend the same courtesy to their disabled customers and protect their rights to a legit space?

IMHO this is what they SHOULD be doing to comply with the DDA rather than relying on threats, gimmicky leaflets and a cowboy firm of scammers.