Deducting money from my salary.

juliescot

saint1d wrote: »

I agree completely, but surely I shouldnt get penalised for other people's repeat offences? I think a warning would be reasonable. It's like getting sacked with no disciplinary procedure. Yes it's hard earned cash, but as an employee I am also working hard for that cash! Like I previously said, it's not that I am unwilling to make a contribution towards the costs, I just dont like being threatened or forced into it.

But again the majority of this thread is totally off topic in that it's not answering the question.

Today I found the letter issued after the training session which stated that they would recoup the money following deliberate mistreatment of company property. I think it's fair to say I did not do this deliberately. The staff handbook mentions nothing about deduction of wages. The disciplinary procedure also states that they can only terminate my conract following gross misconduct, again I do not feel that this is the case. Tomorrow I will ask for a copy of my contract and check it out over the weekend.

I think they are on a sticky wicket if they try to enforce this.
Malicious damage to property is one thing but I doubt very much if they could prove this was your intent.

If they decided to go down the gross misconduct route then there would have to be a hearing at which you could state your case - they cannot simply decide that you have committed an act of gross misconduct.

sb13579

juliescot wrote: »

You mentioned the low pay not the OP and that was why I asked why you had brought that into the equation.

You are speculating as to what people earn and what profit (or indeed loss) the company is making, neither of which have anything to do with the matter at hand.


Hope you are feeling better and weren't sick anywhere that couldn't be cleaned up easily.

well ive already made a reply to the OP by saying work very stricly to his contract, cover no sick days, work to the rules and join a union. i brought the pay into the equation because big fat greedy directors love to punish their workers, as proved in this case. in my opinion the director should pay as it is one mistake and it was accidental, hes also said that his meeting on terms and conditions states he pays for intended damage. thats going to be hard to prove in a tribunal.

Zazen999

saint1d wrote: »

I agree completely, but surely I shouldnt get penalised for other people's repeat offences? I think a warning would be reasonable. It's like getting sacked with no disciplinary procedure. Yes it's hard earned cash, but as an employee I am also working hard for that cash! Like I previously said, it's not that I am unwilling to make a contribution towards the costs, I just dont like being threatened or forced into it.

But again the majority of this thread is totally off topic in that it's not answering the question.

Today I found the letter issued after the training session which stated that they would recoup the money following deliberate mistreatment of company property. I think it's fair to say I did not do this deliberately. The staff handbook mentions nothing about deduction of wages. The disciplinary procedure also states that they can only terminate my conract following gross misconduct, again I do not feel that this is the case. Tomorrow I will ask for a copy of my contract and check it out over the weekend.

Excellent! At last some progress. I'd be doing exactly that; in that if the letter mentions 'deliberate mistreatment' and there is nothing regarding deduction of wages; then you can use that to appeal.

juliescot

@sb13579

You are of course entitled to your opinion as are we all.
All I was saying is that as the OP felt that as he was paid a fair salary for the job he does I was unclear as to why you brought that subject up. Not all bosses are "big fat greedy directors" and if you read my other posts you would see that I think that I think that his employers will struggle to enforce what they obviously see as the employees agreement

You can speculate away to your hearts content however it adds nothing useful to the discussion.

And I do not see why you have to resort to an abusive post to discuss this matter - therefore I have reported it.

sb13579

juliescot wrote: »

@sb13579

You are of course entitled to your opinion as are we all.
All I was saying is that as the OP felt that as he was paid a fair salary for the job he does I was unclear as to why you brought that subject up. Not all bosses are "big fat greedy directors" and if you read my other posts you would see that I think that I think that his employers will struggle to enforce what they obviously see as the employees agreement

You can speculate away to your hearts content however it adds nothing useful to the discussion.

And I do not see why you have to resort to an abusive post to discuss this matter - therefore I have reported it.

well all the directors ive met so far have been greedy and for that matter so have the bankers and the politicians. they keep us on low pay and for instance like the OP he does one little mistake by accident he gets struck down for it. they will beat us down time and again until we make a stand. and in the OP's case which he says he is going to hes checking his T&C's and fighting the machine. good for him. bad for you. because you will always be walked over. your a walk over.

hundredk

sb13579 wrote: »

nope i work for royal mail but this economic climate was created by greedy uppermanagement. greedy bankers. and greedy politicians. this guy made one mistake. he gets low pay. and i feel sorry for him. the company shouldnt deduct his pay. especially in this economic climate. everybody makes mistakes even greedy uppermanagement. i bet they dont get their pays deducted if they make a mistake.

No wonder my post doesn't arrive on time. Militant anti establishment rants don't serve any purpose in relation to the questions posed in the thread, especially when the bold statements are unfounded.

juliescot

sb13579 wrote: »

well all the directors ive met so far have been greedy and for that matter so have the bankers and the politicians. they keep us on low pay and for instance like the OP he does one little mistake by accident he gets struck down for it. they will beat us down time and again until we make a stand. and in the OP's case which he says he is going to hes checking his T&C's and fighting the machine. good for him. bad for you. because you will always be walked over. your a walk over.

Well I realise you can only go from your experience and I am sorry to hear that you have met what appears to be only one type of director, and banker and politician.

As I have said, more than once on this thread, I think the OPs employers will have trouble making this stick.

I have no idea why you feel you have to resort to personal insults, once again. Perhaps you could try to deal with the points raised by the OP and subsequently discussed on here rather than try to turn this thread into a workers against the bosses/bankers/politicians/the system rant

byebyedebt

Wouldn't it be better if there was only one fuel available at the pump?

sb13579

byebyedebt wrote: »

Wouldn't it be better if there was only one fuel available at the pump?

thats what they do at my workplace. we have one diesel pump at our office for our vans.

sb13579

hundredk wrote: »

No wonder my post doesn't arrive on time. Militant anti establishment rants don't serve any purpose in relation to the questions posed in the thread, especially when the bold statements are unfounded.

at least we still try and fight for better terms and conditions. we try and band together. were going on strike soon and hahahahah your mail will be late. now if you change your mentality from your employer holds the power to the worker holds the power then things will get done in your workplace. ALWAYS support the strikes if your a worker.