Deducting money from my salary.

hundredk

Caroline73 wrote: »

Yes that was a mistake - I said I made them

I know, I just didn't want to mis-quote you:D. Better on here than adding a nought on dosage of the medicine!! (don't read that as a dig, it's not).

Caroline73 wrote: »

I believe regardless of the seriousness of the consequences, if you are being paid to do a job then you should do it properly.

£200 will rectify the the OP's situation, but the OP seems to think that he has only made an error (his first) so shouldn't have to pay. Why should the business suffer.

Like you said it's all about consequences of actions.

OP made a mistake. That does not necessarily mean he is not doing his job properly. His misconception is with the consequences and the fact he now has to pay for that mistake.

Doesn't doing a job properly also takes account of Job Descriptions and Person Specs? So eg a nurses JD might include a requirement for accuracy when prescribing medication and a van drivers JD require a good geographical knowledge. No JD can preclude the possibility of a mistake otherwise there would never be a successful applicant.

saint1d

hundredk wrote: »

Based on subsequent posts from OP it would probably be quite difficult for such a bad company to find people good enough not to make this kind of mistake.

I find your post to be somewhat insulting and small minded. I hope one day you make the same silly mistake I have made I realise that unfortunate things can quite easily happen to anyone at anytime.

saint1d

Look I really wish I hadnt bothered posting here at all, I came to this site for some advice, I think Martin Lewis is great and hoped the people on the forum would be helpful.

It seems to be the impression from the responses that you presume I am some kind of idiot. For starters I am not just a van driver, however on occasion I have to drive a van (not that I would be small minded enough to judge someone who drives a van). I do not wish to post what I do for a living incase my employer comes across this for whatever reason, but if it makes you feel better, I have to be qualifierd for what I do, and I also get paid a fair sum for doing so. Also I do not want to get into the situation where I am slagging him off for whatever reason.

Yes I am in the process of looking for another job, but unfortunately there aren't that many around at the moment, and I really dont want to take a huge drop in wages just to get out. Also off topic I have already reported him to the HSE and an investigation is on-going.

To the person that is a nurse, yes if you made an error at work you could kill someone, if I made an error at work I could also kill someone, and if I did I would expect whatever necessary action to be taken against me. But I ask you this, if you had to, for whatever reason use a company vehicle, and you accidentally (stupidly) put the wrong fuel in, would you have to pay for it? I expect the answer is no. My wife works for the NHS and there is no way she would have to pay for something that got damaged.

In my opinion I would expect an employer to take the necessary disciplinary action, and if a similar incident happended again then to escalate things further. It all comes down to the type of employer, someone who is reasonable and someone who just thinks about themselves. Trust me, I am a very hardworking, flexible and intelligent worker, but I have done something silly. My boss is not a nice person, he rips off other people, has no regard for his workers and flaunts the H&S laws, endagering other peoples lives. Again I do not want to discuss all this cr*p, it's irrelevant, its my problem to deal with, it's totally off topic.

When I attended this training session, I signed the slip when it started, and my boss talked about x,y,z. When he mentioned this deducting money off wages I thought to myself that he cant do that unless it is written into my contract. At that point I never gave it a second thought.

So I guess I will hit the reply button and wait to get slagged off for being some kind of idiot by people who seem to be so far up their own backsides they can see daylight.

To the people who have so far helped to answer my query, thanks for your input I appreciate it.

saint1d

Anyway I decided I would just give him the poxy £200, its hardly life changing, it just bugs me if he is doing something he cant do, flaunting laws like he usually does.

Zazen999

saint1d wrote: »

Anyway I decided I would just give him the poxy £200, its hardly life changing, it just bugs me if he is doing something he cant do, flaunting laws like he usually does.

Did you actually check your terms and conditions?

lynzpower

I am also of the opinion that any deductions from a wage have to be done via court order. Regardless of what "addendums" an employer might try to force you to sign.

My employer gave me a sheet of photocopied paper that simply said

"I xxxxx agree that xxxxx can deduct any training costs should I leave the company"

It didnt say how much , leave the company when?, or anything. I said there is no way in hell im signing that, it doesnt even have an amount on, employer could say a course they provided was worth a thousand pounds ( believe me, it aint) .

OP I hope you get this sorted and ignore all the losers on here kicking people when they are down. Might be worth trying acas too , as this is clearly about the legality of deductions- try them early though im sure they are v busy at the mo!

bristol_pilot

I'm pretty sure that it's illegal to make this deduction from the OP's wages, although the OP could be subject to disciplinary action instead (including dismissal). Companies are not allowed to 'fine' their staff, or make them take on unlimited financial liability. Repayment of training costs is dodgy too, whatever the contract says - it's 'restraint of trade' under European Law. The OP should see a solicitor.

juliescot

saint1d wrote: »

Anyway I decided I would just give him the poxy £200, its hardly life changing, it just bugs me if he is doing something he cant do, flaunting laws like he usually does.

Have you reported him for fraud to the relevant authorities?

Have a look at the ACAS site for info on salary deductions. there may be some info there.

And indeed there is - http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1501

The document you signed may have authorised the company to take money from you in the event of damage to their property or goods. Although they may well have a hard time arguing that case. Something may have caused your employer to issue such a document and it may be that you were unlucky in falling foul of it.

And £200 is not "poxy" for a lot of people on here

saint1d

Yeah silly comment from me, £200 pounds is a substantial amount of money, I was wound up after reading all the negative responses, sorry :embarasse

No I have not reported him for fraud yet, I would be out of a job if he lost his business, but I will do that when I leave.

I am reluctant to ask for a copy of my contract as it will highlight the fact I am not prepared to be walked over, and it might make him think it was me who reported him to the HSE.

I dont really mind paying the money, I just want to give it voluntarily rather than have it forced upon me.

saint1d

From the ACAS website:

One of three conditions has to be met for an employer lawfully to make deductions from your wages or take payments from you. The deduction or payment must be:

• required or authorised by legislation (for example, income tax or national insurance deductions); or
• authorised by your contract – provided you have been given a written copy of the relevant terms or a written explanation of them before it is made; or
• consented to by you in writing before it is made.

That basically sums up what I thought about it. Thanks for the post I couldnt find it before hand