Deducting money from my salary.

saint1d

Caroline73 wrote: »

Wouldn't it be better to employ people who don't make this kind of mistake?

I wish I was perfect like you, but alas no, I made a mistake. What would happen if you broke something at work?

There are other factors here which aggrivate me, my boss isnt very good, the working conditions arent very good, he commits fraud and breaks health and safety law, so yes it's all very well for you to slag me of as being useless, but I'm just pee'd off he is stuffing me for £200, whereas a lot of employers would say this was a first occasion and cut me some flak.

Anyway this is off topic, all I wanted to know is if he can enforce something that isnt written into my contract.

Zazen999

saint1d wrote: »

I am fairly certain that my contract does not say that he can do this. We had a meeting a few months ago in which he said that any future damage caused through negligence may be deducted from salaries (due to a few incidents with other staff) and I signed a piece of paper to say I attended the training session, but in my opinion I was not signing to say that I agreed with what he was saying.

Ok.

This session was a session where your boss informed you of changes to your terms and conditions, and he asked you to sign that you had attended - there is no other reason for him to get you to sign other than proof that you attended a training session at which changes were communicated to you.

If you had issues with these changes; then you needed to have consulted and taken advice at this point; not months later when the terms might be applied to you.

By continuing working there, you have accepted these terms.

If employees are costing the company money, then of course they will seek to get those costs covered.

I suspect it will be the excess on the insurance plus an admin fee that is being charged; and not the real cost of putting good the damage done.

SomeBozo

saint1d wrote: »

I wish I was perfect like you, but alas no, I made a mistake. What would happen if you broke something at work?

.

The mantra on this board is "Its not my fault that x,y,z, so why should I have to pay".

i think this also applies here.

If the deduction was made without the training session, then perhaps you might hav a case.

But given a) You had been warned, b) You had a training course, c) you actually did it, you don't have a argument really.

Bozo

4Chickens

saint1d

As far as I am aware, it is illegal for an employer to make non-statutory deductions from your wages. The only instance a non-statutory deduction can be made is by order of a court, i.e an attachment to earnings order. You may well have signed to say you attended a course but you cannot sign away your statutory rights. Tell the boss, if he wants his money he must come to you after you have received your wages and ask for a contribution to the repairs, you don't have to give him any money though.

juliescot

saint1d wrote: »

I wish I was perfect like you, but alas no, I made a mistake. What would happen if you broke something at work?

There are other factors here which aggrivate me, my boss isnt very good, the working conditions arent very good, he commits fraud and breaks health and safety law, so yes it's all very well for you to slag me of as being useless, but I'm just pee'd off he is stuffing me for £200, whereas a lot of employers would say this was a first occasion and cut me some flak.

Anyway this is off topic, all I wanted to know is if he can enforce something that isnt written into my contract.

You can of course report your boss for fraud, if as you say he is committing it.
Phone the HSE and advise them of the lack of regard for H&S.

Might not save you the money but will make you feel better.

hundredk

Caroline73 wrote: »

Wouldn't it be better to employ people who don't make this kind of mistake?

Based on subsequent posts from OP it would probably be quite difficult for such a bad company to find people good enough not to make this kind of mistake.

As it is, the company recognises miatakes may happen from time to time had has put a procedure in place to rectify. OP has agreed to this (unwittingly it seems), but nevertheless agreed and is paying for the mistake.

Caroline73_2

saint1d wrote: »

I wish I was perfect like you, but alas no, I made a mistake. What would happen if you broke something at work?

I'don't claim to perfect. I have a two jobs...first one is a nurse - I do something wrong and someone could die so I don't things wrong. Second job is self employed so I personally pay hefty insurance premiums to cover me.

I am accountable for my actions in both instances.
There are other factors here which aggrivate me, my boss isnt very good, the working conditions arent very good, he commits fraud and breaks health and safety law, so yes it's all very well for you to slag me of as being useless, but I'm just pee'd off he is stuffing me for £200, whereas a lot of employers would say this was a first occasion and cut me some flak.

This is unfortunate but separate issues to your mistake. If you have one grievance you can just lump things on to add weight to your cause.

Anyway this is off topic, all I wanted to know is if he can enforce something that isnt written into my contract.

By attending trainings sessions you are then accountable for what has been taught and the information given to you.

Zazen999

cindiedunkley wrote: »

saint1d

As far as I am aware, it is illegal for an employer to make non-statutory deductions from your wages.

Unless your terms and conditions say so; if they didn't they would have to change the terms, hold a training course to communicate this and get everyone to sign to say they attended.

Oh.....they did that.

hundredk

Originally Posted by saint1d
I wish I was perfect like you, but alas no, I made a mistake. What would happen if you broke something at work?

I'don't claim to perfect. I have a two jobs...first one is a nurse - I do something wrong and someone could die so I don't things wrong. Second job is self employed so I personally pay hefty insurance premiums to cover me.

I am accountable for my actions in both instances.
There are other factors here which aggrivate me, my boss isnt very good, the working conditions arent very good, he commits fraud and breaks health and safety law, so yes it's all very well for you to slag me of as being useless, but I'm just pee'd off he is stuffing me for £200, whereas a lot of employers would say this was a first occasion and cut me some flak.

This is unfortunate but separate issues to your mistake. If you have one grievance you can just lump things on to add weight to your cause.

Anyway this is off topic, all I wanted to know is if he can enforce something that isnt written into my contract.

Caroline73 wrote: »

By attending trainings sessions you are then accountable for what has been taught and the information given to you.

Did you mean to include another "do" in that second red sentence so it makes sense? If you meant to say "so I don't do things wrong" then I commend your work ethics but merely being accountable does not make you infallible.

Your two jobs may have more serious consequences than the OP's in the event of an error, but you have to also consider what is needed to rectify those errors when they have occured.

In the OP's case £200ish will fix the problem. In yours, if someone dies from your error it's not so easy to rectify which is why you are, and need to be more diligent. In your second job you are diligent so it doesn't hit you or your business in the pocket.

Caroline73_2

hundredk wrote: »

Did you mean to include another "do" in that second red sentence so it makes sense? If you meant to say "so I don't do things wrong" then I commend your work ethics but merely being accountable does not make you infallible.

Your two jobs may have more serious consequences than the OP's in the event of an error, but you have to also consider what is needed to rectify those errors when they have occured.

In the OP's case £200ish will fix the problem. In yours, if someone dies from your error it's not so easy to rectify which is why you are, and need to be more diligent. In your second job you are diligent so it doesn't hit you or your business in the pocket.

Yes that was a mistake - I said I made them

I believe regardless of the seriousness of the consequences, if you are being paid to do a job then you should do it properly.

£200 will rectify the the OP's situation, but the OP seems to think that he has only made an error (his first) so shouldn't have to pay. Why should the business suffer.

Like you said it's all about consequences of actions.