PCN *I parked in a disabled space, should i pay or am i a scumbag edition*

ShaShaSha

Neil_B wrote: »

As a result I will be making a point of parking in disabled spaces in supermarkets from now on ---- just until the retailers start taking some proper responsibility.
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Noooooo please dont! not unless you are disabled ofcourse, yes that guy was an !!!!! for having a go, but not all disabled people are bitter lol

I have serious issues with trying to get my shopping if there are no spaces please think of meeeeeee

ShaShaSha

sarahg1969 wrote: »

And do all blue badge holders always need to use the disabled bays in supermarket car parks? Or do they do so because it's their right? I know my gran can manage just fine in a normal one at the supermarket, so long as it's not right at the back of the car park.

I generally take a space say half way between closest and furthest away, because I have a wheelchair - I need the space to get out, but not so much the distance - although furthest away is generally too much for me to push myself from.

If I am going to try and walk, I can make about 15 steps before in a lot of pain, and also need more space to get out because I cant bend my knee enough, so need the door open wide. But I do consider other people who might need a closer space for when im in my chair. I wish people would do the same!

Some people have no physical issues, its purely the distance - for instance heart conditions etc, so there disabilities are not physical.

ShaShaSha

tootiemac wrote: »

This arguement is totally dependent on where you are. It is now legal in scotland (if thats where you happen to be) to be given a parking ticket in a supermarket carpark for disabled bay parking without a blue badge, you are correct in saying that these tickets are issued by 3rd parties but they are enforceable by the council as they are issued on their behalf. So if your were to park in tesco glasgow and get caught then this fine would be legal and you should really pay it now, just because some attendant said dont doesnt make it right how do you know he didnt just say that so you'd have to pay more or simply to get away from you. Any private car park with disabled bays (if they have agreed to the bill/law which 99% have) with their local council will have several signs stating the penalty given if using disable bays without a badge.

^^^ what he said, I live in scotland and was suprised at finding several free space at silverburn tescos....only to spot the fine enforcer dotting about scanning registrations....and yes they can take you to court. Also, if you do not abide to private car park rules, they have the right to call the traffics and have your car removed....

You can still, use a disabled space with a doctor or hospitals letter

hundredk wrote: »

Does it also say that on the govt. website that they must get out of the vehicle? ie "to allow them to park near somewhere in order that they can access where they are going"

Do you have a BB? You get told how you are allowed to use it when you get it. unless you are getting out of the car, you cannot use the badge - because the spaces are primarily for space of getting out and then distance, both which an able bodied person can do fine.

When they say benefit, they mean benefitting from the actual space. There is no greater or less benefit for the driver to park in a disabled bay or a normal one.

And if you think about what was said....if it was ok to park there to benefit someone else, that would mean I could send my other half for a pizza for me and he could use my badge....dont be so silly now....

Domthemon

ShaShaSha wrote: »

as said, get a letter from doc/hospital show it to the council, and also keep it handy so u can park in the bays until you heal. Yes they are reserved for disabled people (as in long term disabled like myself) but you are also allowed to use the spaces with a letter from your gp or doctor stating so!! even pregnant women can.

hope ur legs heals soon, I know how painful this is!

ShaShaSha wrote: »

So people should only use spaces for big shops? and priorities? NO spaces are there to let disabled people have the same choices in life as non-disabled.

Dont listen to them, you are entitled to park in a space if you have a temp medical condition which restricts your mobility i.e. broken legs, using cruthces, pregnancy problems - a doctor can give you a letter for this, and you can display it on the dash to be seen or hand it over if you are issued a ticket - ITS THE LAW

Lets get this straight, once and for all. Then law pertaining to parking DOES NOT APPLY IN PRIVATE CAR PARKS

Blue badges do not apply in PRIVATE car parks. Letters from doctor are irrelevent. Disabled spaces are simply a private request, look at as a moral issue, not a legal issue. This thread is all about unenforceable tickets. Anyone can park in a 'disabled' space on private land and any ticket issued to them is unenforceable.

I wouldn't condone them doing so nor would I do so myself, but thats a moral argument not a legal one. Get it separated because you are just confusing the issue going on about the law and saying who can and can't park there. LEGALLY, anyone can park in a 'disabled' space in a private car park. End of.

tbourner

This is getting silly now.

(a) Thread gone off topic and now discussing BB holders on public roads and car parks. If you don't have a BB then don't park in a disabled space where it states on a sign BB holders only (if there's no sign; refer to (b) below). If you DO have a BB, do as it says on the tin, read the rules for your BB and follow them - simples.

(b) For the OP and anyone parking on public land such as Tesco or Asda car parks (in England only apparently - didn't know it was different in Scotland) - it's up to you if you feel morally OK about taking a disabled space. If there are loads of free spaces then it's probably OK, if not then you can still park there but you should feel guilty about it . You could also expect some unhappy chappy to let your tyres down or leave a nasty note on your car. What you can't expect is a parking ticket - refer to CAG - don't pay it, it's not legal!!! Simples.

peter_the_piper

A nice, large and very sticky sign plastered over the drivers windscreen saying "I'm not disabled but I still parked here" would do far more good than any """Fine""". Having to clean a sticker off your windscreen with lots of people watching knowingly would be a greater deterrent.

adouglasmhor

Not allowed to put stickers on windscreens in Scotland at least, could cause an accident apparently.

Happychappy

peter_the_piper wrote: »

A nice, large and very sticky sign plastered over the drivers windscreen saying "I'm not disabled but I still parked here" would do far more good than any """Fine""". Having to clean a sticker off your windscreen with lots of people watching knowingly would be a greater deterrent.

I totally agree, the name and shame route would be a better alternative and would stop all this how can I get off this culture.

hundredk

Coblcris wrote: »

And here I am still having to correct you.

If the "you" in that sentence refers to me, then you have just supported the point made in the previous post, para 2.

Posters can read and follow the sequence. If somethings off topic, fine to say so and come back on topic. If you think you are replying to something 40+ posts ago but choose not to bring that forward or make reference to it, then you are deemed to have relpied to the last post. Big words won't change that.

Anyway back to the thread. Don't pay the fine.

hundredk

Originally Posted by hundredk
Does it also say that on the govt. website that they must get out of the vehicle? ie "to allow them to park near somewhere in order that they can access where they are going"

ShaShaSha wrote: »

Do you have a BB? You get told how you are allowed to use it when you get it. unless you are getting out of the car, you cannot use the badge - because the spaces are primarily for space of getting out and then distance, both which an able bodied person can do fine.

When they say benefit, they mean benefitting from the actual space. There is no greater or less benefit for the driver to park in a disabled bay or a normal one.

And if you think about what was said....if it was ok to park there to benefit someone else, that would mean I could send my other half for a pizza for me and he could use my badge....dont be so silly now....

No, my mum (non driver) does tho. As well as providing more room around the vehicle, the spaces are also to provide closer access to facilities. Not so silly question; as someone with a BB you will appreciate how difficult it can be to access places able bodied take for granted. There can be benefit gained without getting out of the vehicle. Eg parking on sea front to to eat lunch (able bodied people take this for granted and sit on a wall/bench etc). Not the same as someone else nipping for a pizza. If they do explain how to use BB (I don't know, I wasn't there) when you get it, I accept your point may be correct. Just asking what the written guidance says and how that could be interpreted, oh, I've never used it for anyone elses benefit.