Social impacts of our situation...

chucky

inspector_monkfish wrote: »

what? what? wait up, wait up...

we are saying, 'could it possibly be down to the state of the economy' ?
compared to how it was a few years ago

there are arguements for both ways

its a fact that when these teams last met there was no trouble 5 years ago, but this time round there was a whole lot of trouble!

however the timing of the games on each occasion suggests that that could have been a factor also


who knows?
its merely just a suggestion from lemonjelly, which i have supported

lemon jelly would have made a much better point if he/she hadn't quoted the West Ham vs Milllwall game.

hooligans can't really afford to go to Premiership or even some Championship matches, they've been priced out and you dopn't want to be spending at least £100 a match to then get arrested. the face recognition technology to spot known hooligans works quite well for the police too.

most of the serious and more frequent problems at matches takes place outside of the Premiership and larger Championship teams at matches that are cheaper to attend... that's the better angle to support your argument...

ess0two

ninky wrote: »

i disagree. good electricians are in big demand. they could easily earn more than a typical journalist. the latter is likely to be more academically qualified. one big problem is the myth in the middle classes that a university degree (ANY university degree) will lead to better pay. other than in a recession, construction industries can be a lot better paying for most. in particular, humanities subjects are quite unlikely on their own to lead to a well paying job unless you are very driven or have a mummy and daddy to help you get employment.

Sparks are 2 a penny,plastering+plumbing the way to go.

kennyboy66_2

inspector_monkfish wrote: »

millwall and west ham have actually played each other in the last 5 years, when they were together in the Championship, and there were no such occurences as there were last week

maybe, just maybe.... they behaved well last time, becuase the economy was flying and they were all happy...

The last time they played in the league was 2005.
The match was a 12:00 kick off.

1000 police were in attendence.

This time it was an evening kick off, with pubs still allowed to open and only 500 police.

It is nothing to do with the economy but all to do with the history of this fixture and a fair bit of complacency from the police and West Ham.

The sight of assorted east London fatties was hilarious. Fashion capital of the world indeed.

vivatifosi

kennyboy66 wrote: »

The sight of assorted east London fatties was hilarious. Fashion capital of the world indeed.

I found myself watching TV thinking 'oh look, there's Buster Bloodvessel, no there's Buster Bloodvessel, no he's over there...'

mewbie_2

kennyboy66 wrote: »

The sight of assorted east London fatties was hilarious. Fashion capital of the world indeed.

Funnee. Since when was being a bit portly a crime? Me and the rest of the firm had a damn good time there. We owned the West Ham manor, and there was nothing they or the bill could do about it. What's wrong with a few beers, game of footie, meet up[ with your mates and with a bit of luck something will kick off? Doesn't hurt no one. Best fun I've had since we went to see Brokeback Mountain.

lostinrates

vivatifosi wrote: »

I found myself watching TV thinking 'oh look, there's Buster Bloodvessel, no there's Buster Bloodvessel, no he's over there...'

I have no idea to what you refer, but it sounds hilarious. I think it would be a greatname for a rooster.

vivatifosi

Hey lir, here's a pic. You're obviously too young and too well bred and have missed out on one of the funniest bands of the 80s. Never took themselves seriously.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1690000/images/_1694949_buster300.jpg

I know he wasn't really there though, apparently he supports Margate.

Do you think he looks like any of your roosters btw?

lostinrates

vivatifosi wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1690000/images/_1694949_buster300.jpg
...
Do you think he looks like any of your roosters btw?

This is not mine (and what a link!..ooh, looks smaller in posted message than while typing, where it is five lines long ) but sprang to mind immeadiately!

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.cochinbantams.com/Cochin%2520blue%2520cock%25201.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.cochinbantams.com/our_cochin_photos.htm&usg=__fqzdee58BXQNYqQMKizqma7HjV0=&h=670&w=752&sz=49&hl=en&start=5&um=1&tbnid=UJ7PFxpvxG9AiM:&tbnh=126&tbnw=141&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcochin%2Bcockerel%2Bblue%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26hs%3DAfX%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1

lemonjelly

lostinrates wrote: »

I'm shattered but got to the bottom of the first page and just want to sy thank you to everyone at least til there, for what promises to be a relly truley interesting thread. A slap on the back for lemon jelly.

I'm too tired to contribute more constructively, especially as today I have been discussing the 18th Centuary poor laws, which in truth I have only school girls nowledge with, with a ''top'' UK sociologist and an Italian sociologist (and am shattered both from trnslating terribly and being constantly pumped for opinion). However, it was the most amazing history and sociology tutorial ever, and went from 18th century through to the beginning of new Labour (and was all the more fascinating for me being by far the furthest to the right of the three of us!) so its wonderful to see such a thread tonight.

I would say our sugar fueled diets (short term bursts of something vaguly resembling activity,) the relatively discomfort minimised life available to the majority and the plentiful vailable of something fairly rubbish on the telly combine to make riot/uprising a very hard thing to initiate in the brits today. Combined with everything so far read and agreed with.

IMO there is a big difference between ''revolt'' or organised uprising or protest, and testosterone/alcohol/adrenaline fueled rampaging: such as in foot ball ugliness.

I'm so tired, but I really hope this is bumped or I remember it when I'm less so.

Thanks again lemonjelly.

My pleasure LiR

My thanks go out to all contributors, regardless of their perspective...

Edited after spending a few minutes reading the entire thread. Phew! Lots of very interesting viewpoints! Lots to think about.

beaujolais-nouveau

wageslave wrote: »

It's already broken.

I've noticed an increase in shouting matches in the street between couples. Might just be chance but might be people under so much strain that they don't/can't wait until they get home before having a row.