Social impacts of our situation...

Davesnave

StevieJ wrote: »

I think t'internet is doing more damage than auto tills :eek:

I know what you mean, but I don't believe you or the other posters on this forum with whom I interact are like machines: you respond differently and sometimes intelligently, meaning that we can have some sort of a relationship, albeit transitory and relatively shallow.

For some, such as the housebound and disabled, t'Internet is a liberating force, allowing much more social interaction than 'real' life. In other words, it isn't all bad.;)

lemonjelly

Haven't had time to read through the thread since friday, will do so asap. However on the original point, I have been recieving emails from organisations I work with who are in communication with police on various matters. There has been circulation of information from police advising of increases of planned hooliganism/violence.

News reports over the weekend have also suggested that the milwall/west ham violence was planned...

bendix

lemonjelly wrote: »

News reports over the weekend have also suggested that the milwall/west ham violence was planned...

Well duhh. Football violance has been planned by mobile phones and the internet for over a decade.

What does that have to do with the state of the economy?

inspector_monkfish

bendix wrote: »

Well duhh. Football violance has been planned by mobile phones and the internet for over a decade.

What does that have to do with the state of the economy?

i think the point is, football violence on that kind of scale, had pretty much disappeared over the past few years.

could it possibly return if the country is 'angry' over the state of the economy?

lemonjelly

The initial debate referred to increases in social anomie, & unrest. Relating to the economic downturn. Now unless it has slipped by me, we suddenlyy have a large noticeable increase in football violence, in the midst of an economic downturn. The thread is questioning whether there is a correlation?

bendix

inspector_monkfish wrote: »

i think the point is, football violence on that kind of scale, had pretty much disappeared over the past few years.

could it possibly return if the country is 'angry' over the state of the economy?

No. Millwall and WestHam fans were happy to have the chance to meet each other again after a long absence. They do this whenever they meet; it's just that it's not happened in years, particularly on an evening after lots of booze.

Despite this one-off and entirely predictable episode, football violence remains at historic lows over the last 30 years.

Should the economy take the credit for that?

bendix

lemonjelly wrote: »

Now unless it has slipped by me, we suddenlyy have a large noticeable increase in football violence, in the midst of an economic downturn. ?

No we don't. We have an entirely predictable and isolated incident, which saw absolutely no repeat at the weekend.

A one off does NOT equate to a large noticeable increase in football violance.

But, hey, why let facts get in the way of hyperbole?

lemonjelly

bendix wrote: »

No we don't. We have an entirely predictable and isolated incident, which saw absolutely no repeat at the weekend.

A one off does NOT equate to a large noticeable increase in football violance.

But, hey, why let facts get in the way of hyperbole?

lemonjelly wrote: »

Haven't had time to read through the thread since friday, will do so asap. However on the original point, I have been recieving emails from organisations I work with who are in communication with police on various matters. There has been circulation of information from police advising of increases of planned hooliganism/violence.

News reports over the weekend have also suggested that the milwall/west ham violence was planned...

After lecturing me to read earlier, may i recommend the very same.

I stated explicitly in my post that the police are becoming more involved with partner organisations, as they are more aware of more violence being planned.

Clearly, if the police are seeing increases in planned hooliganism, this is an area of concern, and just maybe a sign that violence is increasing...

bendix

lemonjelly wrote: »

After lecturing me to read earlier, may i recommend the very same.

I stated explicitly in my post that the police are becoming more involved with partner organisations, as they are more aware of more violence being planned.

Clearly, if the police are seeing increases in planned hooliganism, this is an area of concern, and just maybe a sign that violence is increasing...

I could plan to marry Angelina Jolie, but until it happens, I won't brag about it. Planned schmanned.

Again - there has been one serious outbreak of football violence. It is an antipathy between two sets of fans that has gone on for decades and broke out last week through bad management by the football authorities, and lack of foresight by the police. Even when the cup draw was made, people in the know said it would be trouble. The police did nothing to stop it.

It could have been stopped quite easily, by banning away fans. As simple as that.

It remains an isolated incident, and to extrapolate that it has something to do with the economic crisis is palpable nonsense.

inspector_monkfish

bendix wrote: »

No. Millwall and WestHam fans were happy to have the chance to meet each other again after a long absence. They do this whenever they meet; it's just that it's not happened in years, particularly on an evening after lots of booze.

Despite this one-off and entirely predictable episode, football violence remains at historic lows over the last 30 years.

Should the economy take the credit for that?

millwall and west ham have actually played each other in the last 5 years, when they were together in the Championship, and there were no such occurences as there were last week

maybe, just maybe.... they behaved well last time, becuase the economy was flying and they were all happy...