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Council Pay Freeze
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Im really not that fussed about my salary right now. It will just be very disapointing if they freeze our salary progressions because that will mean it will then take 15 years for me to get to the top of my scale! 15 years to earn the equivalent of 22K!
You must fit in really well if you plan on staying 15yrs!0 -
the way you get a pay increase in the public sector is the same as you get one in the private sector: you either (a) become an indispensible employee who they have to give a payrise to (b) get promoted or (c) move diagonally upwards. the days are mostly gone where you could just sit there in the same role and progress through your pay band within 4-5 years.0
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chewmylegoff wrote: »the days are mostly gone where you could just sit there in the same role and progress through your pay band within 4-5 years.
Actually they are not gone at all, and very much in action.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »Actually they are not gone at all, and very much in action.
well, i left the civil service in 2006 and they had stopped a couple of years before that - all you got was an inflationary raise, and the band limits moved by the same amount so you didn't progress at all (c.f. before when you progressed in regular increments towards a target which was 80% of the upper limit of the band). that's the norm in the public sector nowadays be it central or local government. i'm sure there are exceptions to this - i did use the word "mostly".0 -
chewmylegoff wrote: »well, i left the civil service in 2006 and they had stopped a couple of years before that - all you got was an inflationary raise, and the band limits moved by the same amount so you didn't progress at all (c.f. before when you progressed in regular increments towards a target which was 80% of the upper limit of the band). that's the norm in the public sector nowadays be it central or local government. i'm sure there are exceptions to this - i did use the word "mostly".
It's pretty much unique to the civil service. In the wider public sector you get a spine point each year (until you hit the top) & the spine is revalorised by whatever payrise %age is negotiated. For never fully explained reasons the Civil Service pay deal has to pay for both spine progression & revalorisation.0 -
All very laudable of course, but completely nullified by the fact that you don't actually PRODUCE anything in these non-jobs.
Thats because many public service workers provide essential services.
Employment is not about production. What do bankers "produce"? (except for calamities!)It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.0 -
Really? Because when I re-read my post I just see it as someone saying they appreciate their job security, the terms and conditions (ie. Pension) but are frustrated that they are denied the same salary as others in their team because they dont have an HNC that is micky mouse compared to their degree.
Its really that straight forward. Theres nothing whingy about it. Infact its the first time Ive ever discussed my job and Ive been a member here for many years.
Sorry...must ask.....what degree do you have?
If the pay is poor, and the job is bad, your degree cannot be too useful.
HNC/HND are actually very good qualifications and would get you further ESPECIALLY in the private sector than your degree that appears to not help at all.
Maybe you also believe that as a graduate you should earn more. Sorry but not the case. Some of the most intelligent people i have ever met are not from the university system.
Please also remember that a degree is not a measure of earnings or intelligence. All it means is that you can study independently. (and this is coming from a graduate).0 -
How do you become a team-leader?
By just keeping quiet, toeing the line, hitting a certain age, or getting pally with senior council staff?
Never happens in the private sector eh?It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.0 -
lemonjelly wrote: »Never happens in the private sector eh?
At the risk of being repetitive: the difference is it's not public money that runs the private sector..........it's not hard to understand the difference!0 -
Personally I couldn't give a toss about "the environment". Most of it is just an excuse to tax us more.
My sentiments exactly.lol...bring on the so called 'climate change' it's been years since I got a tan...and its frickin freezin in the winter up here in Scotland.
At least if it was warmer, then we wouldnt need central heating...therefore, saving the environment:rotfl:0
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