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lemonjelly wrote: »Yeah, we've been experiencing record levels of these for the past 9 months eh?:rolleyes:
In the past nine months, no, not at all. And, as such, many in those sectors have failed and have lost their jobs as a result. And quite right too. Failure should be punished.
In the past 5-6 months, yes. They have achieved just that and more, hence the return of the bonus culture.0 -
lemonjelly wrote: »Quality point!:D
Of course, the private banking sector has been such a success story for the private sector hasn't it?
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Over the last 20 years it has been an astonishing success, and directly related to the fact that recession or no recession, our lives today are immeasurably richer than those of our parents.
To focus on a few months during that period is like saying Man Utd losing to Burnley last week means Alex Ferguson's reign as manager has been a failure.0 -
Two points.
1) I am completely against govenment bail-outs of private organisations. They should have been allowed to fail, irrespective of the wider economic implications. To do anything else is fundamentally at odds with capitalism.
2) Having said that, there is a difference between the Daily Mail use of the word bailout, and the government taking an investment in such organisations, which is EXACTLY what happened with the banks here in the UK. Bailout implies throwing public money at a problem, whereas you will hardly have failed to notice that the government actually injected (rightly or wrongly) capital into these companies in exchange for equity. In most cases, they have made a huge profit in the process.
You're contradicting yourself now bendix.
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Originally Posted by lemonjelly
Employment is not about production. What do bankers "produce"? (except for calamities!)Originally Posted by bendix
Profits. Corporate deals. Investment returns. Wealth.
They haven't produced these - bad example.
They then require public service support to sort out their capitalist centred faults - caused by their pursuit of profit.
Lastly, private companies aren't allowed to fail if they are badly run.
Plus, given the multiple comments on pensions, nepotism and the like, look at the quality of the pay off and pension of fred the shred and his successor. Did they really earn that? No. & right now, who is paying that?It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.0 -
Remind me not to go for a public sector job, I would be going from the frying pan to the fire if the views on this thread are anything to go by!We made it! All three boys have graduated, it's been hard work but it shows there is a possibility of a chance of normal (ish) life after a diagnosis (or two) of ASD. It's not been the easiest route but I am so glad I ignored everything and everyone and did my own therapies with them.
Eldests' EDS diagnosis 4.5.10, mine 13.1.11 eekk - now having fun and games as a wheelchair user.0 -
lostinrates wrote: »I saw you there but I was too polite to tell you you'd been seen.
Its a bit like when one sees a neighbour in lidl. Those headscrafed, prestige car/LR driver flower arraging rotas at the church women can really leg it round the one way lidly aisle system if they are scared of being spotted. We don't shop at lidl but DH has been known to go in to sare the neighbours occasionally:o:rolleyes:
I went in Lidl for the first time the other day, amazing! the till person cleared about five customers in a couple of minutes:T someone told me that they get paid a lot more than the other supermarkets staff, is that true?'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
*Sigh*
Let me guess, lemonjelly. Lower middlemanagement in some dreary West Midlands council office?0 -
lemonjelly wrote: »Never happens in the private sector eh?
I should imagine that getting friendly with the management is a prerequisite for promotion in the private sector.'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
lemonjelly wrote: »Quality point!:D
Of course, the private banking sector has been such a success story for the private sector hasn't it?
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Over the last 20 years it has been an astonishing success, and directly related to the fact that recession or no recession, our lives today are immeasurably richer than those of our parents.
To focus on a few months during that period is like saying Man Utd losing to Burnley last week means Alex Ferguson's reign as manager has been a failure.
A fair point.
However, the manner in which Alex Ferguson has managed his football team wasn't in a style that threatened to put the whole system of football in jeapordy, in a manner which clearly was negligent and wasn't in line with interests of customers.
People get away with dodgy stuff in the private sector all the time. The successes you allude to in the financial sector were built on foundations of sand. Personally, I'm not sure we've got to the bottom of it yet. Whilst I'm not sure whether the institutions should have been allowed to fail, what does concern me is that it isn't the institution whic is the problem, itis the people in charge. I'd bet a pound to a penny that those involved at high levels in all the financial services which needed government support have now moved on to other powerful, responsible and highly paid roles elsewhere. Why? They've shown they can't be trusted and are negligent. As a result of their actions unemployment has risen, people have lost their homes, the whole country has suffered, and your tax bill as well as everyone else's has gone up. Have they suffered? No. They just move on to the next thing, and will get away with it again and again. And get paid far far far too much for failure.It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.0 -
I should imagine that getting friendly with the management is a prerequisite for promotion in the private sector.
Not particularly. I've promoted people I don't like or get on with. I promoted them because they do their job well and because, frankly, they have it in them to take my job.
They are promoted because they contribute to the success - and, therefore, profitability, of the organisation.
To get promoted in the public sector you need to sit quietly, shuffle your papers and wait to go through the 'scales', whatever they are, when it's your turn.0 -
*Sigh*
Let me guess, lemonjelly. Lower middlemanagement in some dreary West Midlands council office?
Nope.
And the REAL shame is, as I was just typing out a lengthy comment, I thought to myself I'd like to type a cordial post to you about the fact that we were actually discussing the issue, with both of us bringing valid points to debate.
Sadly, you instantly prove me wrong and personalize the matter...It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.0
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