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lostinrates

CluelessJock wrote: »

Absolutley we can choose not to be offended, embarrassed, laugh or cry. Just as we choose how to react to any other event.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2803176

its an old paper, but an intersting one. Physiological response is behind an awful lot of behavious explained in other ways.

I can't find a link one of the best papers ever on physilogical responses ever...

I'm on the fence: our ability to repress our physiological response is pretty impressive in many individuals, but we still hve the physiological response.

lemonjelly

CluelessJock wrote: »

Absolutley we can choose not to be offended, embarrassed, laugh or cry. Just as we choose how to react to any other event.

Are you a robot? Or just emotionless.

I find it intruiging that the 2 people arguing against the public sector both appear to have to resort to the insults - a shame.

lemonjelly

CluelessJock wrote: »

Absolutley we can choose not to be offended, embarrassed, laugh or cry. Just as we choose how to react to any other event.

lostinrates wrote: »

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2803176

its an old paper, but an intersting one. Physiological response is behind an awful lot of behavious explained in other ways.

I can't find a link one of the best papers ever on physilogical responses ever...

I'm on the fence: our ability to repress our physiological response is pretty impressive in many individuals, but we still hve the physiological response.

Simple question, your stood at your mothers or your firstborns bed. They are about to die. There is nothing you can do. Do you choose not to display emotion?

lemonjelly

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I wasn't just talking about bailouts. I was talking about money given to the car industry, money given to the aircraft industry recently. Obviously money given to banks. Money given in terms of grants to private business. Money given in terms of employee training and enrolement.

To pretend the private sector gets no money from the public purse is silly, or severely uneducated. One of the two. And this isn't a subject I'm educated in the slightest on, but it's going on all around us.

"Government investment has saved x amount of jobs" is a term were hearing a lot at the moment. Thats money from the public purse going to the private sector.



Looks like lemon got there before me, so the insults have started. Is there any need? You made a statement. Others refuted it. Theres no need to go to a personal level.

Not to mention tax breaks and incentives, government subsidies for businesses, grants to take on apprentices....

The private sector is a considerable drain on public finances.

CluelessJock

lostinrates wrote: »

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2803176

its an old paper, but an intersting one. Physiological response is behind an awful lot of behavious explained in other ways.

I can't find a link one of the best papers ever on physilogical responses ever...

I'm on the fence: our ability to repress our physiological response is pretty impressive in many individuals, but we still hve the physiological response.

Thanks for the link. I agree there are counter arguments with valid points, although I can't deny that the individual has choice.

I was surprised lemonjelly was so dismisive.

lemonjelly

CluelessJock wrote: »

It's pretty extreme when kids have to die before action is taken. Maybe not the best example you could have given.........but then you don't have too many examples to choose from

Does that mean you're not capable of giving an answer? Or would choose not to?

bendix

StevieJ wrote: »

Withdrawal of credit was reaction to the destruction of capital on bank balance sheets as a result of the US sub-prime catastrophe. The decisions to invest in products that they barely understood was who's fault BTW a are you saying that the removal of credit and the subsequent reduction in purchasing power and liquidity wasn't the major prime contributory factor to this almost depression

I am saying that it is too simplistic. Bank balance sheets were destroyed due to the sub-prime catastrophe, which in turn was caused by a lending frenzy which was prompted by a borrowing frenzy, which was caused by cheap consumer goods and higher property prices and a demand for a higher standard of living, which was caused by a millions other interconnecting influences as diverse as the rise of China and its manufacturing base, the power of unions in the 1950s setting new expectations for middle class workers etc etc etc ad nauseum

History is not one thing causes another thing. It is a vast continuim of interplaying influences and trends.

To say bankers caused the recession is intellectually assinine.

Of course the withdrawal of credit had a role to play. But it didnt happen in isolation and it was forced by a wide variety of other forces which were also coming together to cause the recession. The withdrawal of credit was as unavoidable as the recession itself - it is both cause and effect.

CluelessJock

lemonjelly wrote: »

Simple question, your stood at your mothers or your firstborns bed. They are about to die. There is nothing you can do. Do you choose not to display emotion?

Exactly, the choice is yours!

bendix

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Looks like lemon got there before me, so the insults have started. Is there any need? You made a statement. Others refuted it. Theres no need to go to a personal level.

Are you calling my comment wondering whether lemonjelly works in a lower middlemanagement job in the west country an insult? I was simply asking what he she did, in an ironic tone

Why would it be an insult?

I thought you admired the public sector. Isnt your attitude rather insulting to those poor people who work in the jobcentre in Stourbridge?

lostinrates

lemonjelly wrote: »

Simple question, your stood at your mothers or your firstborns bed. They are about to die. There is nothing you can do. Do you choose not to display emotion?

I have only been in the situations with beloved pets and grandparents, and no, I don't cry until afterwards. Its not easy and I am not so foolish as to think I can totally conceal my grief, but I hope to minimise the stress upon them. Thats a very different scenario though: I actually think offense can be harder to conceal: the ''fight and flight'' hormones are very, very powerful indeed. I think I conceal grief far more successfully that I conceal ''offense''.

I'm not not on your side with this lemonjelly, just find it an interesting, if OT topic (and a previous area of no small amount of study.)