Council Pay Freeze

izzybusy23

The_White_Horse wrote: »

the fact you work for the public sector shows what type of person you are.

Yep, we are all kicking our chairs back, feet on the desk, gossiping away, surfing the net and occasionally sending out very important emails..

Wanna job?

greggymagic

CLUELESS JOCK

"No one is belittling public sector employees"

Hmmm

"God, if it wasn't for councils guys' like you would struggle to find a job"

"Anyone else here finding the common traits with the council workers amusing"

"See here, this is a good example of what we mean about council workers mentality"

REEEAAAALLLYYY?

StevieJ

bendix wrote: »

But that is just my point.

You are saying I defend a situation where private sector failures are rescued. I don't. I condemn it. The vast majority of poor performing private sector companies are allowed to fail, and quite rightly. I abhor the government's decision to 'bailout' . . your term, not mine . . car companies, airlines etc. It's despicable, but done not for economic reasons but solely political. They do it to save failing jobs, !!!!poor management and inefficient organisations.

I am not defending it. I attack it. Philosophically, I am dead against it.

Disagree, if a business is failing because of a short term market disconnect eg car industry and lack of credit, I see no problem with providing some short term support. The doctrinaire approach you support will allow other countries to finance their industries leaving them in a stronger position when the economy picks up, or even worse let us just hand it over to the command economy of China :eek:

CluelessJock

lemonjelly wrote: »

Oh, sorry! I didn't realise that the only source of tax income was private sector employees and private businesses.

I must phone the tax office - they've made a mistake on my payslip!

Yes, lemonjelly, your tax is also paid out of private sector money. I am not complaining about it, or suggesting it shouldn't be, simply stating a fact.

One point no-one appears to have address is:

Not to mention tax breaks and incentives, government subsidies for businesses, grants to take on apprentices....

The private sector is a considerable drain on public finances.

That's part of what public finances are for, it's why they are collected from the private sector!

izzybusy23

The_White_Horse wrote: »

just cost to the tax payer. that is what these cretins don't understand. they add nothing but cost. and if they go over budget, they just get a bigger budget the next year as reward for their incompetency.

i heard an interview with a social worker. she said they set aside a day and a half to write up notes from a one hour meeting. typical public sector insanity. If i am in a one hour meeting, the note takes no more than 15mins - or maybe 30-40 if it is extremely complex.

so, what is the social workers idea to sort it out? become more efficient? hahahah, of course not. just employ more people. how does that work? this new person will write about a meeting they weren't at???

lets have a meeting, a qango, another meeting, etc etc....

OMG, you really are annoying. Firstly, social workers DO have to type up notes of their visits to families; blame Central Government for bringing in the computer system which only allows the Social Workers to input... it would be far quicker for an admin person to do the notes, after all that is what admin people do, but due to a new computer system, a lot of the social workers time is taken up with typing up their own notes, and NO they do not employ extra people to take on the extra workload.. social workers are very overworked and undervalued.. trust me, I worked in frontline services and know first hand..

Secondly, if councils go over budget, they do not just get a new budget next year! They have to find ways of cutting spending to fill that black hole; hence the building our future initative from Central Government which I mentioned in an earlier post.

Please do your research beforehand otherwise you are talking out of a place where the sun don't shine. :rolleyes:

lemonjelly

StevieJ wrote: »

Disagree, if a business is failing because of a short term market disconnect eg car industry and lack of credit, I see no problem with providing some short term support. The doctrinaire approach you support will allow other countries to finance their industries leaving them in a stronger position when the economy picks up, or even worse let us just hand it over to the command economy of China :eek:

Again a good point. Not to mention preventing the potential knock on implications of a particular market collapsing badly affecting the rest of the economy.

bendix

StevieJ wrote: »

Disagree, if a business is failing because of a short term market disconnect eg car industry and lack of credit, I see no problem with providing some short term support. The doctrinaire approach you support will allow other countries to finance their industries leaving them in a stronger position when the economy picks up, or even worse let us just hand it over to the command economy of China :eek:

Those businesses are inherently weak and the short-term market disconnect was enough to push them over the edge, or should have been. Saving them in extreme circumstances does not help them; it encourages them to carry on in their bumbling ways. They learn nothing from getting help; it is no more than an endorsement for bad practices.

The car industries in both the UK and US are disasters of profligacy, union dominance and waste.

We save them to keep inefficient workers in jobs, and keep bad headlines out of the newspapers. It is all about good politics hiding bad economics.

If the Chinese companies can do it better or cheaper, state-dominated or not - so be it. Economic darwinism MUST prevail.

woody01

bendix wrote: »

Sure, so long as you accept that I'm right and you're wrong. I have no argument with that.

Brilliant. My day is now cheerier.
Best remark i have ever read on here

izzybusy23

wxmlad wrote: »

yeah using tax payers money to browse the net :rolleyes: , no im on annual leave actually, we cant get online in work apart from the intranet

I can get on the internet at work; however, lots of PRIVATE companies I worked for in the past also had internet access and MSN messaging and the amount of time wasted on internal MSN's and people messaging their freinds and families is way more than what people do in the council.. we don't have MSN! Oh and BT, prime example.. work on the switchboard and phone friends and relatives whilst the board was quite and set up joke telephone calls.. I could go on and on and on with anecdotals of how much wasted time where is in the private sector.

And one example of somebody taking the mick was a girl I worked with, using company phone to organise her wedding details, emailing for quotes, looking up for venues on the internet and then even taking a call from the vicar halfway through having a discussion with her line manager and not even apologising and putting the phone down.. but then there's us council scum who wouldn't even dream of doing that. But people do get caught out, slagging people off on MSN's and then actually sending it to the non intended person.. but nothing ever gets done about it.

woody01

lemonjelly wrote: »

Not to mention tax breaks and incentives, government subsidies for businesses, grants to take on apprentices....

The private sector is a considerable drain on public finances.

and the point being that civil servants are a bigger drain.
Lets not forget that the people that are taking from the public purse in the private sector will put something back.

How exactly does a civil servant, and the ludicrous wage demands they make, contribute to a society?

These companies such as the car firms/banks etc, will hopefully stand on their own two feet, be profitable and prop the ecomnomy up in years to come.
Will local government? Nope...they will just continue to drain the resources.

I pay thousands in tax each year and for what? So my local council/government can waste MY money on over paid, rude greedy civil servants.
Then the cheek of ME paying their pensions aswell.
I pay £200 per month council tax for a bin collection twice a month and a policeman to drive around my village 1 a month.

Sorry, but civil service should = minimum wage.