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Council Pay Freeze
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CluelessJock wrote: »Exactly, the choice is yours!
Comments like this make me despair for humanity...It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.0 -
lemonjelly wrote: »Does that mean you're not capable of giving an answer? Or would choose not to?
I don't know of any case where an individual has been sacked in a council without there being circumstances that leave absolutely no alternative. I do know of many who would have been rightfully sacked in the private sector who were not as much as disciplined!0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »
To pretend the private sector gets no money from the public purse is silly, or severely uneducated. One of the two. And this isn't a subject I'm educated in the slightest on, but it's going on all around us.
"Government investment has saved x amount of jobs" is a term were hearing a lot at the moment. Thats money from the public purse going to the private sector.
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I'm not going to defend a position I don't agree with. As I have already said, government has no role to play in private business, and bad businesses should be allowed to fail.
Propping up failing businesses is good for noone, except the inefficient managers and non-productive workers who made them fail.
What's your point, exactly?0 -
lemonjelly wrote: »Comments like this make me despair for humanity...
You in danger of getting personal here? Careful I may get offended!
For clarification I am not saying what I would do, but pointing out that we have choices. Yes I can be offended, but by being mindful that I have a choice I can very often influence a situation! I am surprised it's a new concept to you.0 -
What's your point, exactly?
My point is basically what you said, which was:The point you are deliberately failing to ignore is that private businesses are run with private money. In that regard, they are essentially free to operate as they wish, within the law of course.
The public sector is run with OUR money, and have different governance obligations.
If the private sector is inefficient, it fails. If the public sector is inefficient, it gets given more taxpayer's money.
It's not rocket science.
You are then using this to say, in effect, "we pay your wages" for the public sector employees on this board.
What you said, however, is wrong, in that A)the private sector fails if its inefficient, and
the public sector just gets given more money if it fails.
As I said oin my first post on this thread, it's more generalisations and assumptions being used as a reason to belittle public sector employees.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »
What you said, however, is wrong, in that A)the private sector fails if its inefficient, and the public sector just gets given more money if it fails.
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But that is just my point.
You are saying I defend a situation where private sector failures are rescued. I don't. I condemn it. The vast majority of poor performing private sector companies are allowed to fail, and quite rightly. I abhor the government's decision to 'bailout' . . your term, not mine . . car companies, airlines etc. It's despicable, but done not for economic reasons but solely political. They do it to save failing jobs, !!!!poor management and inefficient organisations.
I am not defending it. I attack it. Philosophically, I am dead against it.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »My point is basically what you said, which was:
You are then using this to say, in effect, "we pay your wages" for the public sector employees on this board.
What you said, however, is wrong, in that A)the private sector fails if its inefficient, and the public sector just gets given more money if it fails.
As I said oin my first post on this thread, it's more generalisations and assumptions being used as a reason to belittle public sector employees.
No one is belittling public sector employees (don't take offense) what we are saying is that the machine that is the public sector is hugely inefficient and not being answerable to customers or shareholders tends to remain that way. Anyone see the documentary where Gerry Robinson went in to the NHS?
It's also not as simple as whether Govt. give the private sector handouts or not. Consideration has to be given to where the Govt. get the funds to begin with; IE the private sector, whether directly through taxes, or indirectly through taxes that are collected from the private sector workers when they spend their salaries on products produced in other private sector companies.0 -
CluelessJock wrote: »No one is belittling public sector employees (don't take offense) what we are saying is that the machine that is the public sector is hugely inefficient and not being answerable to customers or shareholders tends to remain that way. Anyone see the documentary where Gerry Robinson went in to the NHS?
It's also not as simple as whether Govt. give the private sector handouts or not. Consideration has to be given to where the Govt. get the funds to begin with; IE the private sector, whether directly through taxes, or indirectly through taxes that are collected from the private sector workers when they spend their salaries on products produced in other private sector companies.
Oh, sorry! I didn't realise that the only source of tax income was private sector employees and private businesses.
I must phone the tax office - they've made a mistake on my payslip!
One point no-one appears to have address is:Not to mention tax breaks and incentives, government subsidies for businesses, grants to take on apprentices....
The private sector is a considerable drain on public finances.
Now, we don't have a say about this either do we?It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.0 -
Council pay freezes are correct.
Millions unemployed and even more have pay freezes in the private sector.
I think you are also forgetting the FREE pension you will be getting if you stay there.
No-one seems to take this into account though do they?
Eh, free? What cloud you on? I pay 6% of my salary towards my pension.. how the hell is that free??? And the LGPS pension isn't all that generous either.0 -
The_White_Horse wrote: »i am not jealous. I have no desire to work in the public sector, with those awful self important meeting mad idiots to deal with. I earn quite a sufficient wage in the private sector thanks.
All i know is, I have maggots in my bin, because the hateful wasteful council can't afford to collect bins once a week (yes, they dress it up as "green" but we all know it is because they can't afford it with all the unnecessary and excessive salaries and pensions they pay out). It is disgusting. Sack half the staff and use their salaries to fund a weekly bin collection, not alternate weeks - and then lying by calling it "easy as ABC" Additional Bin Collections. At best it is the same amount of collections, but in reality it is fortnightly collections.
Hateful civil service. More council tax every year, less for your money, except more inept employees.
Jeez, are you Victor Meldrew disguised as The_White_Horse? Get a life man!! You will have a coronary with all this vented anger towards public sector staff.
Edited to stick the boot in: Us priviledged people DO STILL HAVE weekly bin collections.. he he he0
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