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  • lemonjelly
    lemonjelly Posts: 8,014 Forumite
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    At the risk of being repetitive: the difference is it's not public money that runs the private sector..........it's not hard to understand the difference!

    Nepotism in the private sector is fine? Who you know, not what you know? & as it is in the private sector it is ok?

    Please!

    Business' have responsibilities too you know.
    It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.
  • bendix
    bendix Posts: 5,499 Forumite
    lemonjelly wrote: »

    Employment is not about production. What do bankers "produce"? (except for calamities!)


    Profits. Corporate deals. Investment returns. Wealth.
  • CluelessJock
    CluelessJock Posts: 200 Forumite
    edited 26 August 2009 at 9:32AM
    Lemonjelly, Business owners are entitled to run their businesses as they see fit (within the law), if they want to promote their son's Godfathers half sister that's fine, as long as they don't use public money.

    Should it not be this way?
  • bendix
    bendix Posts: 5,499 Forumite
    lemonjelly wrote: »
    Nepotism in the private sector is fine? Who you know, not what you know? & as it is in the private sector it is ok?

    Please!

    Business' have responsibilities too you know.


    The point you are deliberately failing to ignore is that private businesses are run with private money. In that regard, they are essentially free to operate as they wish, within the law of course.

    The public sector is run with OUR money, and have different governance obligations.

    If the private sector is inefficient, it fails. If the public sector is inefficient, it gets given more taxpayer's money.

    It's not rocket science.
  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    bendix wrote: »

    If the private sector is inefficient, it fails. If the public sector is inefficient, it gets given more taxpayer's money.

    It's not rocket science.

    No it's not rocket science.

    So I'm surprised to see you saying such things when so many private sector organisations and business's are currently being bailed out with our money.
  • lemonjelly
    lemonjelly Posts: 8,014 Forumite
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    bendix wrote: »
    Profits. Corporate deals. Investment returns. Wealth.

    Yeah, we've been experiencing record levels of these for the past 9 months eh?:rolleyes:
    It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.
  • lemonjelly
    lemonjelly Posts: 8,014 Forumite
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    Lemonjelly, Business owners are entitled to run their businesses as they see fit (within the law), if they want to promote their son's Godfathers half sister that's fine, as long as they don't use public money.

    Should it not be this way?

    If they care about their business, no. Best qualified person should get the job.

    Sir Jack Hayward put his son in charge of WWFC not so long ago. The club was mismanaged, and in the end the son was sacked, & I believe Sir Jack was suing him over allegations of impropriety.

    Your arguement is preservation of the status quo, and implies that by engaging in hard work & acheiving qualifications is a waste of time as business owners will only look after their own.
    It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.
  • lemonjelly
    lemonjelly Posts: 8,014 Forumite
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    bendix wrote: »
    The point you are deliberately failing to ignore is that private businesses are run with private money. In that regard, they are essentially free to operate as they wish, within the law of course.

    The public sector is run with OUR money, and have different governance obligations.

    If the private sector is inefficient, it fails. If the public sector is inefficient, it gets given more taxpayer's money.

    It's not rocket science.

    Tosh!

    Failing departments get restructured and retrained to allow them to fulfil the purpose they are there for. Negligent or incompetant staff are removed.

    I agree that areas of the public sector could & should be made more efficient. However the majority of this thread deals with stereotypes only, not meaningful debate.
    It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.
  • bendix
    bendix Posts: 5,499 Forumite
    edited 26 August 2009 at 10:07AM
    No it's not rocket science.

    So I'm surprised to see you saying such things when so many private sector organisations and business's are currently being bailed out with our money.


    Two points.

    1) I am completely against govenment bail-outs of private organisations. They should have been allowed to fail, irrespective of the wider economic implications. To do anything else is fundamentally at odds with capitalism.

    2) Having said that, there is a difference between the Daily Mail use of the word bailout, and the government taking an investment in such organisations, which is EXACTLY what happened with the banks here in the UK. Bailout implies throwing public money at a problem, whereas even you will hardly have failed to notice that the government actually injected (rightly or wrongly) capital into these companies in exchange for equity. In most cases, they have made a huge profit in the process.
  • lemonjelly
    lemonjelly Posts: 8,014 Forumite
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    No it's not rocket science.

    So I'm surprised to see you saying such things when so many private sector organisations and business's are currently being bailed out with our money.

    Quality point!:D

    Of course, the private banking sector has been such a success story for the private sector hasn't it?

    Oh, hang on, it takes the public sector to sort its mess out!

    Private sector is only concerned about profit. All else is secondary. Problem with having profit as your sole focus leads to loss of rational thinking...
    It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.
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