I wish you could sue smokers!

shellsuit

What a load of shoite.

I'm off for a fag........

momoyama

Off topic, but just as a matter of nettiquette, can we sort out our quoting, please?

momyama wrote:

No, not to hand. But why else do packets display "smoking harms you and others around you" / "smoking harms your unborn baby" etc.

Errrr because if YOU smoke it harms you. If YOU smoke and you are pregnant it harms your unborn baby. If YOU smoke in a room with others around you then it harms them.
The packet does not say "smoking in open air will harm passers by"

Go back and read it again :rolleyes:

well what about the non smokers I know who are also rude and inconsiderate?

Absolutely, but again that's neither here nor there. Petrol prices are too high and Sophie won Big Brother. They're different discussions.

What about the patient who refuses to have an Indian nurse look after him because "she smells of curry"...is that similar to those who say its ok to refuse a nurse who smells of smoke?

The difference is how much harm that curry does to those around you, in my view. I would also suggest that that remard is skirting close to stereotyping and racism. Instant association of Indian Nurses and curry. FWIW, I'm born and brought up in England and I love hot curry.

What about the non smoking ignorant man who managed to bruise my daughters face when walking around an event because he didn't look where his big rucksack bag was bashing?

What's your point? That has nothing whatsoever to do with Smoking.

Should I then draw the conclusion that the majority of non smokers are rude and inconsiderate, thoughtless and violent, racist and foul mouthed??

Feel free, but you'd have a harm time defending it.

momoyama

beccam wrote: »

It's slowing now though, people are tiring and can't sustain the attack.....come on don't let it die after just 30 odd pages!!:rotfl:

Yeah. I think and hope that the troll is dying now that I've stopped feeding it. BUT up until it started this was a very interesting thread. I just hope that we can either continue it productively or end it amicably. Personally, I'm just sick of going round in circles.

beccam

momoyama wrote: »

Off topic, but just as a matter of nettiquette, can we sort out our quoting, please?

Not sure what you're getting at...could you explain?

Go back and read it again :rolleyes:

I've read it twice and still don't get what you're sarcastic eyes are about there is a difference between being inside a room with a smoker and walking past one outside on the street.

Absolutely, but again that's neither here nor there. Petrol prices are too high and Sophie won Big Brother. They're different discussions.

so in the same respect don't let others use the argument that all smokers are inconsiderate and rude....it's a seperate issue if following your logic. (and you actually watch BB???);)

The difference is how much harm that curry does to those around you, in my view. I would also suggest that that remard is skirting close to stereotyping and racism. Instant association of Indian Nurses and curry. FWIW, I'm born and brought up in England and I love hot curry.

again....show me prove that someone smelling of smoke is causing you real harm, just as I can't prove the smell of curry is not harming that patient neither can you prove someone smelling of smoke will.
And my point was the underlying racism that was displayed by this non smoking man (though yes that night she did smell of curry admittedly:o) it goes further to prove my point that being rude etc is not something exclusive to smokers as some on this thread would like to believe.

What's your point? That has nothing whatsoever to do with Smoking.

As above....many horrible people causing harm to children, not just the smokers.

Feel free, but you'd have a harm time defending it

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But it is acceptable for assumptions and conclusions to be drawn about smokers on the basis of one or two personal experiences?
Of course it is stupid that I would make those assumptions but others on this thread seen to have no problem assuming because they have had a bad experience with one or two smokers then all of them must be the same.

edited to apologise for HUGE writing!

beccam

momoyama wrote: »

Yeah. I think and hope that the troll is dying now that I've stopped feeding it. BUT up until it started this was a very interesting thread. I just hope that we can either continue it productively or end it amicably. Personally, I'm just sick of going round in circles.

Yep, I'll agree with you on that....it's Friday night and I have fags to smoke!!;)

hartcjhart

momoyama wrote: »

Yeah. I think and hope that the troll is dying now that I've stopped feeding it. BUT up until it started this was a very interesting thread. I just hope that we can either continue it productively or end it amicably. Personally, I'm just sick of going round in circles.

I notice that MOMOYAMA you chose not to comment about my post regarding your 'counter' in a discussion shall i repeat it for you

care to comment?

Originally Posted by momoyama
Because most of what I do in life isn't available at night. Common sense. And the counter is I should be allowed "to do what the !!!! like when like [any time]".

ok

hartcjhart

The difference is how much harm that curry does to those around you, in my view. I would also suggest that that remard is skirting close to stereotyping and racism. Instant association of Indian Nurses and curry. FWIW, I'm born and brought up in England and I love hot curry.


sterotyping ?? yep thats you lot do with us smokers,
racism, if i were black and smoking would you call me a yellow toothed stinking !!!!!!!,I bet not

ShaShaSha

hartcjhart wrote: »

SORRY but most of these smokers would not be on the streets IF you whinging lot had not forced to go outside to smoke

No dear I didnt force you to smoke outside. Research was done to prove that smoking in enclosed spaces is very dangerous, and not exactly fair to be allowed in public places WHERE EVERYONE IS ALLOWED TO ENJOY THE SPACE

Dont have a go at me, give up smoking if ur so !!!!ed about smoking in the rain. Did you ever consider that maybe decent smoking parents were sick of there kids having to be in smokey enviroments when they dont smoke around them? Not everyone wants there kids in early graves or with several medical problems you know!

The thing is, if smokers had consideration n didnt smoke right at a doorway or make it impossible for someone with a baby or pregnant etc to walk anywhere without being forced to walk through clouds of smoke - then we wouldnt be whinging so much

I ACTUALLY DONT CARE if there is extensive research into just how dangerous breathing in smoke from the streets is, because being pregnant after losing 8 babies, im not prepared to take ANY risks. I wouldnt put up with a stinking person standing next to me and I dont put up with stinking smokers either - because the smell makes me wanna gag. And to make it worse, majority of people dont smell like they havnt washed - but theres a !!!! load more smokers...making it more of an issue

I cant stand the smell of fags and its not like I only face it once or twice a week. Anywhere outside u walk in the town or city the streets are littered with smokers, most gather together and create large clouds of smoke - which almost makes me gag with how strong it is, and worries me that my poor baby is breathing this is

I now drive places rather than walk, because me, my daughter and my unborn baby are more protected in my car and dont have to stand in clouds of smoke and this in turn means im polluting the earth more!!!

I also hate how smokers just chuck there fags everywhere, and the streets are littered with it. I read a post on a baby forum of a woman who took her daughter to the park and turned away for a second to turn back and find her daughter with a fag doubt in her mouth, she was rushed to hospital. Even the park isnt safe anymore!!!

Cigarettes to children can be FATAL. This in turn means your just as inconsiderate and ruthless as junkies leaving dirty needles. About time you all got a grip (intended for the dirty littering smokers!) and put your used fags in the bin, even junkies are using disposible bins now......



ALL I ASK is that smokers have consideration for other people. You may not smell the smoke, but non-smokers can. You make think blowing the other way makes it fine, but in reality if we can smell it, its in our lungs...and the more times this happens, the more damage that can be caused.







Here is some FACTS and RESEARCH for you smokers needing proof:


What is a safe level of secondhand smoke?
There is no safe level of exposure to secondhand smoke. Studies have shown that even low levels of secondhand smoke exposure can be harmful. The only way to fully protect nonsmokers from secondhand smoke exposure is to completely eliminate smoking in public spaces. Separating smokers from nonsmokers, cleaning the air, and ventilating buildings cannot completely eliminate secondhand smoke exposure

Does secondhand smoke contain harmful chemicals?
Yes. Of the more than 4,000 chemicals that have been identified in secondhand tobacco smoke, at least 250 are known to be harmful, and 50 of these are known to cause cancer. These chemicals include (1):

• arsenic (a heavy metal toxin)
• benzene (a chemical found in gasoline)
• beryllium (a toxic metal)
• cadmium (a metal used in batteries)
• chromium (a metallic element)
• ethylene oxide (a chemical used to sterilize medical devices)
• nickel (a metallic element)
• polonium–210 (a chemical element that gives off radiation)
• vinyl chloride (a toxic substance used in plastics manufacture)

Many factors affect which chemicals are found in secondhand smoke, including the type of tobacco, the chemicals added to the tobacco, the way the product is smoked, and the paper in which the tobacco is wrapped


^^^^ and you think im ott for not wanting my Daughter and unborn baby to breath in all that??? get a grip, I want the best for my kids - and being near cancer sticks aint !!!!in one of them


Signing a petition I found to ban smoking on public streets as we speak, if smokers cant be considerate - then its the only way to go...

marleyboy

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/5125184/Traffic-pollution-can-harm-babies-in-the-womb-claim-researchers.html

Traffic pollution can harm babies in the womb, claim researchers

Exposure to traffic pollution during pregnancy could harm babies in the womb, a study shows.

http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/healthday/2009/02/16/prenatal-exposure-to-traffic-pollution-may-lead.html

MONDAY, Feb. 16 (HealthDay News) -- Traffic pollution may cause genetic changes in the womb that increase a child's risk of developing asthma, say U.S. researchers who studied umbilical cord blood from New York City children.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/155436.php

A new study by scientists in California concluded that exposure to local traffic-generated air pollution is linked to an increased risk of preeclampsia and preterm births in Southern Californian women.

http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/healthyliving/alcohol/howdoweknow/

Alcohol is one of the most well established causes of cancer

International health organisations like the World Health Organisation agree that alcohol can cause a range of cancers.1 2 3 4 This is based on the consistent results of many different studies all around the world

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/even-two-drinks-a-high-cancer-risk/2008/05/07/1210131068838.html

Even two drinks a high cancer risk

.....but lets not discuss the relevance

ShaShaSha

I cant quote ur post for some weird reason :S but in reply to your traffic etc, I live in the countryside and only visit the town when I have to.....so ontop of the stupid amount of cars on the road (which im not happy about, and thats another issue!) but my family is breathing in smoke too......

also I dont drink, neither does my partner I have very personal reasons why, i do think that drink should not be advertised, or take place of a whole aisle at the entrance to tescos!!!! Because, it is by far just as dangerous as cigarettes, if not worse. And its addiction can kill you a lot quicker than smoking, as my brother died at 35 for this reason

thanks for the links, interesting and useful!