I wish you could sue smokers!

klpklp07

ShaShaSha wrote: »

i agree, tho irrelivant to smoking. My brother was an alcoholic and died as a result at 35. thats another big issue.....one i feel strongly about - but nothing to do with smoking

Thank you x
The reason i brought up alcohol is because you can buy it from the shop like cigs and seem to cause bigger problems.

klpklp07

ShaShaSha wrote: »

Same as a non-smoker, what if they lost a child to cot death, and has recently given birth and is scared of smoke around there child?....or what if someone recently lost a family member to lung cancer and they DIDNT SMOKE?? or what if this...or what if that.....

point is, if ur a smoker who doesnt put other people out - fair enough, but most smokers dont even realise the impact they have - thats the issue here

Who says i have not lost a child to cot death?? And who says i smoke in public places like i said before your judging people before knowing the reasons..

Fire_Fox

dandare wrote: »

dunno about that, a doc friend told me that a couple of fags a day does no harm whilst pregnant, they just don't like to say so . i was asking as my gf is, by the way she's doing great with stopping for those concerned about our childs well being.

I can't give a definitive answer to that as pregnancy is not my field, and it's quite possible the research hasn't been done for ethical reasons. Some thoughts tho:
1. Would you let your newborn have 'just' one or two cigarettes a day blown in his or her face? There is evidence babies health can be affected by parents who are smokers yet have a completely smoke-free home, that's how toxic fags are for kids. Nicotine is the least of your worries, it's the carcinogens and carbon monoxide.

2. Assuming the mother is or has been addicted to nicotine - it's been shown that 'cut down to quit' doesn't have the benefits everyone assumes. Each smoker has an in-built set point of nicotine required to remain comfortable. Smokers who reduce the frequency of cigarettes unconsciously draw harder, hold the smoke in fractionally longer and take more frequent puffs.

3. If the mother has only ever been an occasional smoker, I'd refer your GP friend to research completed only a year two ago on social smokers which suggests evidence of damage to the heart. This is not surprising, as we know the temporary effect on blood pressure, heart rate and blood oxygen levels.

4. My experience of GPs is that they are not up on the latest research when it comes to non-surgical and non-pharmaceutical areas of healthcare. Their knowledge of nutrition, smoking cessation and physical activity is relatively basic, hence why there are professionals specialising in these fields.

I have seen Stop Smoking Specialists tolerate occasional lapses in some expectant mothers in order to keep them on the NRT. Push too hard, and they stop coming to clinics and start smoking twenty a day again. In some circles (e.g. teenagers from deprived backgrounds) smoking throughout pregnancy is seen to be desirable, as the low birth weight will make the birth easier.

klpklp07

And also what about car fumes?

Research it on google it causes more deaths than crashes it causes your children to coughs and breathing problemms and is linked to early deaths??

Shall we stop driving now all these cemicals will be always be around us but people panic to much

momoyama

klpklp07 wrote: »

What about Alcohol why dont people moan about that? People who take alcohol can Steal, Start fights, Rape, Murder people and cause crashes and also LIKE SMOKING can cause cancer/failure to parts of your body.

Alcohol, in moderation, is a health benefit. Tobacco has no health benefit in any quantity. People who don't drink alcohol can "Steal, Start fights, Rape, Murder people and cause crashes"

klpklp07 wrote: »

And as i have suffered from living next door to one ruin people's life. For me to smoke outside of my house/street/pub etc etc iam doing neither of them above.

With the anomisty of this thread, you may just find yourself starting a fight

The point, though, is that you being stood outside the pub' or whereever else, you're harming people.

klpklp07 wrote: »

And for people to moan about smokers how do the ones moaning know what the smoker is going through? they may have all sorts of problems in there life or is experiencing something dreadful.

That's neither here nor there.

klpklp07 wrote: »

I smoke but i have my reasons, i dont particularly like smoking but it is the easiest way for me to chill out without being drunk of smacked out of my head on drugs.

What I'm suggesting, though, is that if you didn't smoke then you'd find other ways to achieve the same goal. Other ways that don't involve harming others.

momoyama

ShaShaSha wrote: »

but most smokers dont even realise the impact they have - thats the issue here

I sort-of agree. Yes I'm sure some smokers don't realise the impact that they have. That's why education, publicity and awareness campaigns exist. Given the warnings on cigarette packets now, I would imagine that everyone that smokes does know the impact. That's my issue; they know what harm they're doing, but do it anyway. How is that any different to me punching someone in the face, knowing that I'm going to make their nose bleed?

It's the "f*** you" mentality on here that's shocked me.

momoyama

klpklp07 wrote: »

The reason i brought up alcohol is because you can buy it from the shop like cigs and seem to cause bigger problems.

I don't believe that it does, though. Not by a long way.

I drink (not much these days) but I don't start fights. Yeah, someone else will get drunk and aggressive. So it's the individual not the substance that's at fault. But ANYONE having a cigarette around anyone is harming them.

momoyama

klpklp07 wrote: »

And also what about car fumes?

Research it on google it causes more deaths than crashes it causes your children to coughs and breathing problemms and is linked to early deaths??

Shall we stop driving now all these cemicals will be always be around us but people panic to much

Not your fault as this is a long and repetitive thread, but this argument has been done to death (without conclusion). I personally freely agreed that traffic needs addressing too. Regrettably it's a necessary evil. It's a different subject which I'd rather discuss as a subject in it's own right on another thread.

marleyboy

ShaShaSha wrote: »

Not exactly freewill if we cant go anywhere without being forced to smoke is it? we have no rights to force a smoker to not polute our lungs. Someone can walk right upto you and blow smoke into your face, and you have NO RIGHTS.

free world for the addicted, yeah that seems fair love LOL


have consideration, and smoke in your own home, in smoking shelters and away from people choosing a healthy lifestyle - then there is no issue here.

Consideration should be the worlds only rule

I can safely say, as a non smoker, nobody has ever FORCED me to smoke a cigarette, or inconsiderately blew smoke in my face, I've had my lungs polluted sure, by all manner of pollutants, maybe even tobacco smoke, but as its mingled with all the other outdoor pollutants, that for some reason can only be mentioned in a new thread (heaven forbid we bring such a subject up about passive pollutants that dont include tobacco on a City Street), I am limited to say I have NO CHOICE but to pollute my lungs from both smokers AND non smokers, just like the rest of the population who refuse to wear gas masks.

Sure enough you are correct in one thing, we have no rights without impeaching another's rights. What we do have is a legal choice to pollute "passively", in a various array of methods. Whether or not we are considerate smokers, or inconsiderate Non smokers.

beccam

momoyama wrote: »

I sort-of agree. Yes I'm sure some smokers don't realise the impact that they have. That's why education, publicity and awareness campaigns exist. Given the warnings on cigarette packets now, I would imagine that everyone that smokes does know the impact. That's my issue; they know what harm they're doing, but do it anyway. How is that any different to me punching someone in the face, knowing that I'm going to make their nose bleed?

It's the "f*** you" mentality on here that's shocked me.

Do you or any of the other 'anti smoking' posters on this thread have actual statistics or evidence of the damage/trauma/harm done to an individual by walking past a person who is smoking?
Yes I agree that there is harm in passive smoking but I am pretty sure the research has all been done with people being sujected to long term, continuous periods of very smoky areas (living with smoking partner/working in smoking pub etc)

The F*** you mentality on here has shocked me too......the f*** the smokers mentality shown by many posters, even to go as far as wishing smokers died earlier :eek:

The verbal abuse towards smokers who have been called rude, stinky, inconsiderate, vile, yellow toothed, smelly, B*stards, ignorant, stupid and selfish (to name just a few) is quite shocking.

I can assure you I am not rude, stinky, inconsiderate, vile, yellow toothed, smelly, ignorant, stupid, selfish or a b*stard....is it OK that I should accept being called these names by someone just because I smoke??

The one thing I pride myself on is not being judgemental of others, it's such a shame when others cannot return the favour.