I wish you could sue smokers!

momoyama

hartcjhart wrote: »

momoyama wrote:

Because most of what I do in life isn't available at night. Common sense. And the counter is I should be allowed "to do what the !!!! like when like [any time]".I caught you agreeing with me, but that's all. What's your point

the point is the same as you made I should be allowed to do what I like when I like

Yes, I wondered if that's what you were getting at. I didn't think anyone would actually see anything other than seriously flawed logic. My bad.


So here we go:

The point is that I shouldn't have my actions dictated to me by smokers; people who are willfully causing me harm. Why should I be?

ShaShaSha

marleyboy wrote: »

I dont think anyone disputes the link between smoking and cancer.

As far as I am aware NOBODY disputes that smoking is more hazardous to car pollution, BUT "PASSIVE SMOKING" is far LESS dangerous than PASSIVE vehicle pollution, that little word you seem to miss out in your search.

Car pollution only causes 3% of cancers, and im guessing thats in places with high high traffic, not a few hundred cars in a highstreet....i think there talking newyork and the like......

I have shown proof that NO ammount of second hand smoke is safe, yet you continue to debate that car pollution is more harmful?? 3% is very very low for all car pollution IMO

snowmaid wrote: »

I am an ex smoker. I never smoked with my older 2 but started again when my youngest was a few months old. I was a 'very good' mommy and wouldn't smoke inside - hubby and I smoking outside. We never allowed anyone to smoke inside at all.

My child started getting allergies, in particular 'glue' ear. He had 2 sets of grommets. We took him for a check up visit to the ENT Consultant , who bluntly told us that if we didn't stop smoking, he wouldn't be able to help our child anymore. We told him that we never smoked near him and only outside. He said that the smoke still effected him.

We both stopped smoking immediately, guess what, my sons ears cleared up immediately and so did his bronchial asthma.

We felt really terrible, as it was our smoking, albeit not in 'front' of him. that had been making him ill.

The NHS may be too politically correct to tell you to quit, luckily for us, our ENT Specialist in South Africa wasn't and told us how it is. We were making our child sick.

If you are a smoker and have children with allergies such as asthma, glue ear etc, I suggest you stop smoking.

Oh, and smokers, you do stink. After I quit my sense of smell returned. Well, I can walk into a house and tell straight away if someone smokes there. It hangs around the curtains and the carpets. It is vile. I am ashamed my home smelt like that, which it did, even though we smoked outside.

You are so wise to be smoking outside, most parents wouldnt and I commend you for that, truelly. Most people think its ok to smoke at a window, or in a different room - or open the windows before they come home, but that smoke remains in the room for 2 & 12 hours with windows open!

Its a sad fact that the toxins remain in the pores of your skin and can be passed onto anyone you touch for 24 hours after one single cigarette This said, should anyone working with vulnerable people be allowed to smoke? if they can pass on this harm on there skin and clothes?

Im glad you made the important decision to put your child first and give up smoking, alot wouldnt! and im so glad your sons on the mend xxx

magoogy

ive just had a bad experience myself with some selfish smoker...we were waiting in the bus shelter for a bus and she suddenly lit up and proceeded to blow it towards my daughter who then began coughing as she has a chest infection and the last thing she needed was someone elses smelly smoke wafting into her lungs....

.i quickly told my daughter to stand out in the fresh air and was going to ask the smoker to smoke her cancerstick outside the shelter as it is illegal to smoke in them - but, before i had chance she began ranting at me saying shed smoked for 60 years and no way would she let anyone dictate to her - she would smoke where and when she wants.....

.she also said my daughter shouldnt be out with her bad cough and that (this part made me laugh) eating sweets in the bus shelter should be illegal cos they give you diabetes.....

i couldve argued the toss with her but, she was an oap and i didnt want the situation getting out of hand so i told her she was just selfish and turned my back on her....

all the way home on the bus she was giving us the daggers.....aarghgh rude ignorant woman....oh my dd is 20 so she old enough to decide if she wants to come out with her bad cough lol...

Anthillmob

momoyama wrote: »

Yeah. I think and hope that the troll is dying now that I've stopped feeding it. BUT up until it started this was a very interesting thread. I just hope that we can either continue it productively or end it amicably. Personally, I'm just sick of going round in circles.

im no troll, troll

Anthillmob

ShaShaSha wrote: »

No dear I didnt force you to smoke outside. Research was done to prove that smoking in enclosed spaces is very dangerous, and not exactly fair to be allowed in public places WHERE EVERYONE IS ALLOWED TO ENJOY THE SPACE

Dont have a go at me, give up smoking if ur so !!!!ed about smoking in the rain. Did you ever consider that maybe decent smoking parents were sick of there kids having to be in smokey enviroments when they dont smoke around them? Not everyone wants there kids in early graves or with several medical problems you know!

The thing is, if smokers had consideration n didnt smoke right at a doorway or make it impossible for someone with a baby or pregnant etc to walk anywhere without being forced to walk through clouds of smoke - then we wouldnt be whinging so much

I ACTUALLY DONT CARE if there is extensive research into just how dangerous breathing in smoke from the streets is, because being pregnant after losing 8 babies, im not prepared to take ANY risks. I wouldnt put up with a stinking person standing next to me and I dont put up with stinking smokers either - because the smell makes me wanna gag. And to make it worse, majority of people dont smell like they havnt washed - but theres a !!!! load more smokers...making it more of an issue

I cant stand the smell of fags and its not like I only face it once or twice a week. Anywhere outside u walk in the town or city the streets are littered with smokers, most gather together and create large clouds of smoke - which almost makes me gag with how strong it is, and worries me that my poor baby is breathing this is

I now drive places rather than walk, because me, my daughter and my unborn baby are more protected in my car and dont have to stand in clouds of smoke and this in turn means im polluting the earth more!!!

I also hate how smokers just chuck there fags everywhere, and the streets are littered with it. I read a post on a baby forum of a woman who took her daughter to the park and turned away for a second to turn back and find her daughter with a fag doubt in her mouth, she was rushed to hospital. Even the park isnt safe anymore!!!

Cigarettes to children can be FATAL. This in turn means your just as inconsiderate and ruthless as junkies leaving dirty needles. About time you all got a grip (intended for the dirty littering smokers!) and put your used fags in the bin, even junkies are using disposible bins now......



ALL I ASK is that smokers have consideration for other people. You may not smell the smoke, but non-smokers can. You make think blowing the other way makes it fine, but in reality if we can smell it, its in our lungs...and the more times this happens, the more damage that can be caused.





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Here is some FACTS and RESEARCH for you smokers needing proof:


What is a safe level of secondhand smoke?
There is no safe level of exposure to secondhand smoke. Studies have shown that even low levels of secondhand smoke exposure can be harmful. The only way to fully protect nonsmokers from secondhand smoke exposure is to completely eliminate smoking in public spaces. Separating smokers from nonsmokers, cleaning the air, and ventilating buildings cannot completely eliminate secondhand smoke exposure

Does secondhand smoke contain harmful chemicals?

Yes. Of the more than 4,000 chemicals that have been identified in secondhand tobacco smoke, at least 250 are known to be harmful, and 50 of these are known to cause cancer. These chemicals include (1):

• arsenic (a heavy metal toxin)
• benzene (a chemical found in gasoline)
• beryllium (a toxic metal)
• cadmium (a metal used in batteries)
• chromium (a metallic element)
• ethylene oxide (a chemical used to sterilize medical devices)
• nickel (a metallic element)
• polonium–210 (a chemical element that gives off radiation)
• vinyl chloride (a toxic substance used in plastics manufacture)

Many factors affect which chemicals are found in secondhand smoke, including the type of tobacco, the chemicals added to the tobacco, the way the product is smoked, and the paper in which the tobacco is wrapped


^^^^ and you think im ott for not wanting my Daughter and unborn baby to breath in all that??? get a grip, I want the best for my kids - and being near cancer sticks aint !!!!in one of them


Signing a petition I found to ban smoking on public streets as we speak, if smokers cant be considerate - then its the only way to go...

excuse me whilst i go off an invent the non-tobacco, non-smelling fag for the smokers and present my idea to dragons den.

even then you wouldnt like it so shut yer moaning. its never gonna happer. live with it. we have to live with your annoying habits whatever they may be so live with ours.

Anthillmob

ShaShaSha wrote: »

See my replies in blue.....

why dont you accept a few facts then?

seems you cant but want everyone else to accept yours.

Anthillmob

snowmaid wrote: »

I am an ex smoker. I never smoked with my older 2 but started again when my youngest was a few months old. I was a 'very good' mommy and wouldn't smoke inside - hubby and I smoking outside. We never allowed anyone to smoke inside at all.

My child started getting allergies, in particular 'glue' ear. He had 2 sets of grommets. We took him for a check up visit to the ENT Consultant , who bluntly told us that if we didn't stop smoking, he wouldn't be able to help our child anymore. We told him that we never smoked near him and only outside. He said that the smoke still effected him.

We both stopped smoking immediately, guess what, my sons ears cleared up immediately and so did his bronchial asthma.

We felt really terrible, as it was our smoking, albeit not in 'front' of him. that had been making him ill.

The NHS may be too politically correct to tell you to quit, luckily for us, our ENT Specialist in South Africa wasn't and told us how it is. We were making our child sick.

If you are a smoker and have children with allergies such as asthma, glue ear etc, I suggest you stop smoking.

Oh, and smokers, you do stink. After I quit my sense of smell returned. Well, I can walk into a house and tell straight away if someone smokes there. It hangs around the curtains and the carpets. It is vile. I am ashamed my home smelt like that, which it did, even though we smoked outside.

i can assure you i can smell fags at 100 paces maybe more and i smoke. my house does not smell of fags. im not a 20 a day or more smoker, some days i hardly smoke anything. and always outside.

go round my mums and it reaked. she has all but given up just the odd one nown again since her dental treatment [extensive and expensive]

i can even smell stale fags on others when they get on the bus or walk past me.

so see, i smoke and have a sense of smell.

Anthillmob

momoyama wrote: »

Yes, I wondered if that's what you were getting at. I didn't think anyone would actually see anything other than seriously flawed logic. My bad.


So here we go:

The point is that I shouldn't have my actions dictated to me by smokers; people who are willfully causing me harm. Why should I be?

and the point is i shouldnt have my actions dictated to me by the anti smoking brigade.

discuss. why should you be more imprtant? this isnt up dor discussion actually because everyone should be treated as equal and therefore for what you say we have the right to take ownership of the other half and say 'what about us'

do we moan at you because you dont smoke and keep offering you fags and say 'go on just try one'

no we dont so forget you crusade to change our minds.

Anthillmob

magoogy wrote: »

ive just had a bad experience myself with some selfish smoker...we were waiting in the bus shelter for a bus and she suddenly lit up and proceeded to blow it towards my daughter who then began coughing as she has a chest infection and the last thing she needed was someone elses smelly smoke wafting into her lungs....

.i quickly told my daughter to stand out in the fresh air and was going to ask the smoker to smoke her cancerstick outside the shelter as it is illegal to smoke in them - but, before i had chance she began ranting at me saying shed smoked for 60 years and no way would she let anyone dictate to her - she would smoke where and when she wants.....

.she also said my daughter shouldnt be out with her bad cough and that (this part made me laugh) eating sweets in the bus shelter should be illegal cos they give you diabetes.....

i couldve argued the toss with her but, she was an oap and i didnt want the situation getting out of hand so i told her she was just selfish and turned my back on her....

all the way home on the bus she was giving us the daggers.....aarghgh rude ignorant woman....oh my dd is 20 so she old enough to decide if she wants to come out with her bad cough lol...

tis a fair point however when did it become illegal to smoke in bus shelters? im curious as there are not any 'illgal to smoke in these premises' signs.

not that i smoke in bus shelters, i have some savvy.

snowmaid

Anthillmob wrote: »

i can assure you i can smell fags at 100 paces maybe more and i smoke. my house does not smell of fags. im not a 20 a day or more smoker, some days i hardly smoke anything. and always outside.

go round my mums and it reaked. she has all but given up just the odd one nown again since her dental treatment [extensive and expensive]

i can even smell stale fags on others when they get on the bus or walk past me.

so see, i smoke and have a sense of smell.

You is such a clever child! :T