I wish you could sue smokers!

ladypinkof66

Barneysmom wrote: »

I'm shocked at some of the replies on this thread, some of them seem to be quite vindictive to me. To think a person would snitch on another and maybe get him the sack for having a cigarette in his van?
How callous is that?

Some non-smokers smell bad too.

I hate the smell of booze on people, it's disgusting, but I wouldn't presume to tell someone not to drink. And when some folk have had a curry, the next day they mank out the place. .

Bullying at work is illegal.

Please note it is not his van - the van belongs to the AA RAC or other breakdown agency - he is therefore not allowed to smoke it in. When have you seen a breakdown person driving a van that belonged to them personally - NEVER !

Hence the reason I would report him, the same as I would report a bus driver if i could smell alcohol on his breath.

Jo_F

ladypinkof66 wrote: »

Please note it is not his van - the van belongs to the AA RAC or other breakdown agency - he is therefore not allowed to smoke it in. When have you seen a breakdown person driving a van that belonged to them personally - NEVER !

Hence the reason I would report him, the same as I would report a bus driver if i could smell alcohol on his breath.

Actually there are a few independants that are owner/drivers and have their own vehicles, I know of one near me

momoyama

Marley, I wish you'd sort out your quoting. Or is it a matter of choice

marleyboy wrote:

momyama wrote:

That's rubbish, marleyboy. You do seem to struggle to acknowledge other people's points, even when they are fact. Alcohol, in moderation of course, is good for you. Fact.

NONSENSE! Alcohol is one of the biggest causes of liver cancer FACT!

Oh jeez. You just won't listen to reason. You're the kind of person that would still argue the world is flat, even after being dragged around it.
I just can't be arsed anymore. You just carry on believing that. I'll try to remain somewhere in the realm of reality (though I often fail!)

marleyboy wrote:

momyama wrote:

The country would die on it's feet in the absence of transportation.

Agreed, but what's wrong with choosing electric vehicles OR public transport, over and above private 4x4 school runs! is it a matter of choice?

AGAIN, I agree that our choice of transportation needs addressing. I've never disputed that.

marleyboy wrote:

momyama wrote:

And your burger argument also gets sillier. Burgers = red meat = source of iron. I agree MuckDonalds (for example) are hardly the bastion of fat-free food, but I'm talking more generally.

Vegans (different to vegetarians) survive quite well without them, and a vegan is within their rights NOT to have to smell or taste a "meat is murder" burger.

But how can a vegetarian / vegan taste the burger that I'm eating ?

costapkt

ladypinkof66 wrote: »

Please note it is not his van - the van belongs to the AA RAC or other breakdown agency - he is therefore not allowed to smoke it in. When have you seen a breakdown person driving a van that belonged to them personally - NEVER !

Hence the reason I would report him, the same as I would report a bus driver if i could smell alcohol on his breath.

Get a life for Gods sake
Seig Heil Mein Fuhrer Snitching !!!!!

momoyama

marleyboy wrote: »

You constantly misinterpret my argument of vehicles, AT NO point do I suggest banning them, my argument (AGAIN), is that a smoker is no more pollutant than a motor vehicle and therefore has no more or less "passive pollution" ON THE STREET, than any vehicle or other hazardous pollutant ON THE SAME STREET.

I would be interested in the figure. I certainly don't know the facts. HOWEVER, I would question if the quantity of carcinogenic particles being dispersed into the air has as great a detrimental effect on me as the smoker being blown directly into my face.

marleyboy wrote: »

Your argument is merely "Car pollution is allowed because cars are needed", which is as weak as "Tobacco pollution is allowed - because Smokers need a cigarette". Whether or not we agree that a smoker NEEDS a cigarette, a smoker feels they do, as is their legal right.

Different arguements entirely. The traffic thing is being addressed, for example in congestion charges, smog free zones, emission-based taxation, development and government sponsoring of alternative-fuel cars, etc.

We just need for the smoking thing to be addressed in the same way.

The problem is that we've discovered the harm caused by traffic but it's indispensible. We've discovered the harm caused by smoking... and it's very much dispensible.

momoyama

costapkt wrote: »

I would say that there are more drink related incidents in A&E than smoking ones.
Discuss.;)

Nurse here. Minor Injuries Nurse, at that. Yes, I deal with drunk people at work. Yes, at certain times of the week, A&E is full of drunk people and yes I spend a small proportion of my time nursing people for whom alcohol was a contributing factor to their injury. Yes, drink-drivers are scum.







Take a wander down to respiratory ward sometime.

Or a palliative care ward.

little_miss_moneysaver_3

costapkt wrote: »

I would say that there are more drink related incidents in A&E than smoking ones.
Discuss.;)

Maybe cos the ones smoking related ones are referred through their GP as suspect cancers????

But at the end of the day it's an individual choice whether to smoke/drink/do drugs/extreme sports etc

Keeps me in a job though, and there is a recession on afterall.

P.s. Another nurse here

momoyama

ladypinkof66 wrote: »

As previously mentioned in my earlier post yes the smokers I work with are stinking they admit it and know, they get told every day not just by me by other non smokers I am referring to my work colleagues not everyone who smokes

Awful.

Broad question (not directed to you, lady): how would anyone feel if they were in hospital and the Nurse reeked of cigarettes? How about if they reeked of BO? I shower before work, or course. Some of my colleagues still reek of smoke as they can't shift it no matter how much they shower. I appreciate that not every smoker (or non-smoker) is the same, but I find it an appropriate term - stinking smokers.

I actually use the term [EMAIL="b@st@ard smokers"]b@st@ard smokers[/EMAIL] quite frequently, but that's because of my feelings toward their careless attitude and the discomfort and harm they're doing me.

momoyama

McKneff wrote: »

bullying at work is illegal

Is it? Really? I'm not arguing, I'm just surprised if that is the case. Surely bullying comes down to perception to a degree? Sorry, another thread for another day.

McKneff wrote: »

and make no mistake, a comment to a workmate that he stinks is bullying so you need to be careful you are not
disciplined for it.

Even if it's fact? But surely making my working life uncomfortable by reeking of cigarettes is just as much bullying, based on my perception.

Only once have I ever commented to a colleague that they stank of cigarettes. Only last week, actually. They apologised. I suppose they knew it wasn't my nature. But by what-deity-you-believe-in, the f***ing STANK.

McKneff wrote: »

If a colleague suffered from BO you wouldnt dare tell him/her she stinks.

Why not? Given that I'm a Nurse, what if it's unpleasent for the patients?

McKneff wrote: »

If anyone said it to me there would be a grievance in straight away because i wont be bullied by anyone.

Oh, !!!!!!. I've been bullied pretty much constantly since I was five years old. I won't take it any more either. But that attitude is just ridiculous, in my oppinion.

momoyama

The "question" in question:

hartcjhart wrote: »

A little hypothetical scenario for you

you are driving home on a cold wet dark winters night your car breaks down,you have no mobile phone and you are stuck in the middle of nowhere,

David/Davina from the office lives near you and see's you stranded and offers a lift home, Do you or Dont you accept

...
they are a smoker :eek: but knowing you do not smoke re-assure you that they will not smoke on the journey

Do you dont you get in

If they promise to not smoke, then surely the question is irrelevent?


Though, real life story:
I've been in the AA for years and used them a handful of times. They've always been outstanding. Simply brilliant. Except once.

I needed bringing home on a low-loader. The AA used a private company to do it. Now I swear quit freely, but the chap that collected me was the most foul-mouthed horrible person that I'd ever met. I sat in his cab for the journey home... and he lit a cigarette without asking me. I very nearly just jumped out of the moving vehicle. I was certainly intending to wite to the AA to complain. I never got around to it. I also seriously considered joining the RAC instead. I didn't because the AA have always been exceptional.

Am I a hypocrit? No. My need for transportation was greater than my desire to smoke-free. Just as my need for hospital treatment will always overide my desire to not walk through the [EMAIL="b@st@rd"]b@st@rd[/EMAIL] smokers around the doorway.

That doesn't make smoking acceptable. Those two scenarios should never happen.