25,000 posties going on strike this weekend???

custardy

cyril82 wrote: »

ok but you sell books right? so you still pay much more than the price of a standard first class stamp to deliver something that really has very little more expense involved in delivery than a standard letter.

and i bet you send a few too, you must do for it to be worthwhile, so even you, whom i would place in the lower category of ebayers in terms of spend on postage, are much more profitable to royal mail than the average private customer who sends a couple of first class or second class letters a month.

i'd therefore argue that it is ebayers who in no small part subsidise the loss incurred in delivering the average first and second class letter sent by private customers and so maintain that junkmayale's quip was aimed in the wrong direction, it is private customer they lose on, not businesses.

nonsense
packets generate far more handling than letters
this is specifically why the pricing structure was changed to take size into account
RM's big customers are the junk mailers.mass mailers
most power sellers are small fry in comparison to the revenue generated,which is precisely why its that market TNT etc are targetting
just start looking all your bills/mail and see how many carry the mark of a competitor.now how many of those competitors walked up your path and delivered it and how many sent is via DSA?

wullie

I'm a postman and i couldn't care less if you moaners get your ebay rubbish or not... as for using over companies...go ahead. On my round there is a packet left on a doorstep that has been there for three days and it's soaking wet. I know the family are on holiday, but your fantasic couriers have left it there. The snails are having a feast on it.

cyril82

custardy wrote: »

nonsense
packets generate far more handling than letters

Small packets, i.e. books do not cost significantly more than letters to handle and deliver and so are more profitable.

custardy wrote: »

RM's big customers are the junk mailers.mass mailers
most power sellers are small fry in comparison to the revenue generated,

as a business owner who has used royal mail to distribute leaflets [aka junk mail, mass mail] i know what it costs. you can have 25,000 leaflets delivered for £1,475.

on average i send 25,000 special delivery items by royal mail a year at a cost of £160,800 (from Amazon and my own website mainly but i have recently returned to ebay albeit reluctantly so lets say online sales).

So let me get this clear, you are saying that royal mail make more from delivering 25,000 leaflets for £1,475 than they do 25,000 special delivery items at £160,800, care to explain how exactly??

custardy

cyril82 wrote: »

Small packets, i.e. books do not cost significantly more than !tters to handle and deliver and so are more profitable.




as a business owner who has used royal mail to distribute leaflets [aka junk mail, mass mail] i know what it costs. you can have 25,000 leaflets delivered for £1,475.

on average i send 25,000 special delivery items by royal mail a year at a cost of £160,800 (from Amazon and my own website mainly but i have recently returned to ebay albeit reluctantly so lets say online sales).

So let me get this clear, you are saying that royal mail make more from delivering 25,000 leaflets for £1,475 than they do 25,000 special delivery items at £160,800, care to explain how exactly??

SD items are tracked on their whole journey,being handled seperatly and scanned/handled at many points
the require seperate staff and infrastructure

D2D items go from perth to the delivery office.already broken down into delivery point boxes so go straight to the appropriate walk frame
D2D items go with the mail so no need for vans or anything outwith the standard delivery spec to deliver
D2D is one of RM's (and TNT etc's) biggest growth markets
however i said junk mail/mass mailers not D2D

so which one costs more in time & handling?

cyril82

custardy wrote: »

SD items are tracked on their whole journey,being handled seperatly and scanned/handled at many points
the require seperate staff and infrastructure

D2D items go from perth to the delivery office.already broken down into delivery point boxes so go straight to the appropriate walk frame
D2D is one of RM's (and TNT etc's) biggest growth markets
however i said junk mail/mass mailers not D2D

so which one costs more in time & handling?

I'm asking you, sure it costs more to track an item but the price difference in sending 25,000 leaflets to 25,000 SD's is £159,325. So how exactly do Royal Mail make more out of that £1,475 Than the £160,800 for the same amount of SD's

just sounds highly implausible to me, feel free to break down the costs.

amcluesent

Just be sure to get your CoP for everything over the next few days, the losses due to clearing/skiping the backlog will be horrendous.

custardy

cyril82 wrote: »

I'm asking you, sure it costs more to track an item but the price difference in sending 25,000 leaflets to 25,000 SD's is £159,325. So how exactly do Royal Mail make more out of that £1,475 Than the £160,800 for the same amount of SD's

just sounds highly implausible to me, feel free to break down the costs.

the costs on D2D' items(which you are referring to) are minimal
SD's require mass handling with staff specifically employed along the route to deal with them.
SD items are seperate from point of collection all the way along.
D2D items go from perth direct labelled via the mail centres to DO's in cages.
all good to go. the staff dealing and sorting with just SD items can spend a good 4+ hours in the morning just scanning/allocating/issueing SD items
D2D items are laid out on a saturday for the following week
then the posties take their 20% a day out and deliver within their delivery spec
also the 1pm deadline is now a bigger issue with SD items due to the 2pm+ finsih time meaning often extra duties need laid on(in my office at least) to ensure the 1pm deadline is achieved
it all adds up
then you could key in the recent cost of the PDa's coming in

cyril82

custardy wrote: »

D2D items go from perth to the delivery office.already broken down into delivery point boxes so go straight to the appropriate walk frame
D2D items go with the mail so no need for vans or anything outwith the standard delivery spec to deliver
D2D is one of RM's (and TNT etc's) biggest growth markets
however i said junk mail/mass mailers not D2D

Just a point of interest, many years ago when i did my work experience in my last year of school i did it with royal mail at my local royal mail depot.

i worked in the mass mail or door to door department as well as sorting mail in the main sorting rooms, delivering mail with posties on their walk and going out with drivers to exchange mail at various depot around the country, taking mail with us bringing mail back etc so i have a slightly better knowledge of the inner workings of royal mail than perhaps the average royal mail customer.

i recall that the junk mail required a separate outbuilding (a big out building) staffed full time by six full time sorters and the bosses were constantly asking posties to do overtime in the junk mail depot. Junk mail does require sorting as senders stipulate which postcodes/areas they want their mail to be delivered to yet it bears no post code so this has to be done as the mail comes in before being sent up to the right posties who deliver to that post code.

in comparison the special deliveries were handled by one solitary postie inside a locked room before being given to a single van driver to deliver.

So what does cost more in handling?

Edit: just recalled a very boring meeting i had the privilege of sitting in on during my work experience when i was shadowing the boss, lots of high paid royal mail suits discussing the problems they were having with keeping staff on board and motivated as well as new revenue streams they could exploit, it's sad to see that after 12 years they are still not getting either of these right. Thank god i declined their offer of a job when i turned 18.

junkmayle

Cyril82 - Perhaps thats why RM is in such a mess as you seem to have all the answers based on your school work experience, yet declined to pass those answers on by taking the job offered. Whilst i was working for RM, they were pushing for a service based on the Dutch or German system which meant lots more casual staff, significantly worse pay and conditions for workers, and possibly an end to the universal service ie no deliveries in uneconomical areas (anywhere outside a town basically). Do you really want the key part of your business to go the way of the trains, buses, utilities, directory enquiries etc. All privatised or deregulated and all no better or worse than before. If you really send 25000 items special delivery, you have obviously costed RM competitors rival services. Why aren't you using them or are RM significantly cheaper and better?

Hezzawithkids

wullie wrote: »

I'm a postman and i couldn't care less if you moaners get your ebay rubbish or not...

If that's a typical postie attitude to their job then I'm not surprised the RM are in such deep doo-doos. Its our ebay "rubbish" that's kept them in a job for the last few years. Cheers, pal. :rolleyes: