Refused booze in tesco again

danny69

i think what a lot of you are failing to realise is that if a shop assistant is caught selling alcohol to a minor then they are the ones that have to face the consequences. They could lose their job, be faced with huge fines also. This for someone that is probably on the minimum wage. If I were serving customers alcohol I would insist every single person had ID. If not and they wished to be served then I wouldnt be the one serving them as I wouldnt take the risk. Even if they looked 50 I wouldnt, its not work the risk. Im 23 and I get ID'd all the time. Im more than happy to prove my age, I always carry ID with me as I know it is necessary to prove your age from time to time. What annoys me most is when I get Id'd to get into a nightclub and then I spot people who I know for a fact are under 18. I can understand everyones frustrations at having to provide ID, but these are the same individuals that then complain when gangs of youths are vandalising their local area. If we all accepted the fact that we must provide ID when necessary then society would surely be a better place.

jimmyay

mrcol1000 wrote: »

Going back to a point someone else made would you all be getting your knickers in a whizzle if it was cigarettes that was being talked about instead of alcohol?

The thing is, it's not illegal to buy cigarettes to give to under 18's. The law is not consistent. You could happily buy 20 B&H in the store and give them directly to your 10 year old and say "there you go love, that's your treat for being good today" and the shop assistant could do nothing about it.

jimmyay

vyle wrote: »

I don't see why anybody of any age gets annoyed about being asked for ID. It's not an insult, it's just a simple requirement. Do you get angry when asked to show your passport when stepping on a plane? QUOTE]


Thing is, British people didnt used to have to show a passport to travel abroad (even when people from other countries travelling around had to ) But it goes to show that people get used to being in the habit of having to justify themselves, whereever they go and whatever they do. Its insidious and leads to totalitarianism. one step at a time.

jimmyay

danny69 wrote: »

If I were serving customers alcohol I would insist every single person had ID. Even if they looked 50 I wouldnt, its not work the risk.

you have no common sense, and need to grow up.

danny69

jimmyay wrote: »

you have no common sense, and need to grow up.

so if you were a shop assistant and thought someone looked over 25, you would serve them, then they turned out to be 17. You would then be faced with a fine of possible thousands of pounds, along with your employer also facing scrutiny. What makes me laugh is that many of the people that think asking for ID is a pointless exercise are the same ones that are tutting as they question what the adults were upto when another teen dies of alcohol poisoning. Yes, it can be a bit embarassing and awkward, but it is the only way we will stamp out the sale of alcohol to minors. They will always be able to access alcohol, but someone must have supplied it somewhere. An adult is always to blame where minors are consuming alcohol.

jimmyay

LilacPixie wrote: »

Actually it reminds me of a 'discussion' I had with a guy in sommerfield with my dad. Dad was buying some Alcohol, lager wime and a few spirits, it was his 30th wedding anniversary and they were having a BBQ, I had been sent to make sure he bought the right stuff anyway young guy on checkouts says to my dad 'i'm sorry sir but company policy is I have to ask every 5th customer for proof of age, do you have any sir' my dad says only his paper driving licence or his credit cards, guy behind checkout says well in that case i will not be able to serve you. I say well I have ID and this is my dad so will that do because obviously he cannot be a minor with a daughter in her 20's and he say no but you can hand me the money as I have seen proof you are over 18. Its backwards when a 60+ year old can be refused alcohol because he might be a minor.

That is so Alice in Wonderland, isnt it?

Pont

danny69 wrote: »

What makes me laugh is that many of the people that think asking for ID is a pointless exercise are the same ones that are tutting as they question what the adults were upto when another teen dies of alcohol poisoning. Yes, it can be a bit embarassing and awkward, but it is the only way we will stamp out the sale of alcohol to minors. They will always be able to access alcohol, but someone must have supplied it somewhere. An adult is always to blame where minors are consuming alcohol.

But IDing an adult who is clearly over 18 (for example the post mentioning that a 54 year old woman was IDed in Icelend) is simply madness. This policy has absolutely no effect in stamping out the sale/supply of alcohol to minors. The underage kids who are hanging around parks swigging away at their Diamond White are, in all likelihood, getting their booze from their 18, 19, 20 year old friends who have gone into a supermarket/corner shop and bought the booze legally after showing their ID.

Likewise, by preventing an adult from purchasing a couple of bottles of wine along with their weekly shop when their children are with them will also have absolutely no impact in curbing underage drinking.

I'm sure that if there was any evidence that these measures stopped underage teenage boozing then no sensible person would object. However, most sensible people can see that these policies are indeed a 'pointless exercise.

binkyboo_2

i wonder what will happen with their online ordering service if the shopping includes alcohol and is delivered to a house where there is an adult and a minor inside at the time of delivery?
there delivery t&c's require someone over the age of 18 in when shopping is delivered. i wonder if they are required to ask for id of the whole household before leaving the shopping?

nickmack

danny69 wrote: »

so if you were a shop assistant and thought someone looked over 25, you would serve them, then they turned out to be 17. You would then be faced with a fine of possible thousands of pounds, along with your employer also facing scrutiny.

If someone looks over 25, then I don't see why you wouldn't serve them? If later they turned out to be 17, if your decision was reasonable, I don't see that action should be taken against the shop assistant or the store.

Some people are always going to look younger/older than their peers, hence, I guess why 'Think 25' and similar schemes try to bridge that doubt.

What you seem to be saying then is anyone regardless of age, should be asked for ID when buying alcohol. Everyone has to make decisions in their work and if we all took the easy option to completely cover your backside, the whole country would drown in bureaucracy.

What makes me laugh is that many of the people that think asking for ID is a pointless exercise are the same ones that are tutting as they question what the adults were upto when another teen dies of alcohol poisoning. Yes, it can be a bit embarassing and awkward, but it is the only way we will stamp out the sale of alcohol to minors. They will always be able to access alcohol, but someone must have supplied it somewhere. An adult is always to blame where minors are consuming alcohol.

It's not a pointless exercise when implemented sensibly. Asking for ID from people who are clearly not minors or refusing sale just because they have their child with them is clearly not going to stop anything.

You already made the point yourself, minors will always somehow get access to alcohol. It's how they're educated about it that can play an important role on whether they enjoy a responsible drink or die of alcohol poisoning.

cirrusmp

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