Fined for illegal plates!! Appeal??

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sophieschoice wrote: »

I sympathise with your nephew because my son was fined even though he was speaking on his phone via bluetooth. Unfortunately his phone was in his hand.

Unfortunately he still broke the law, the law makes no reference to the use of a hands-free, just that it is an offence to hold the phone while using it.

The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) (Amendment) (No. 4) Regulations 2003

6. For the purposes of this regulation -

• 1. a mobile telephone or other device is to be treated as hand-held if it is, or must be, held at some point during the course of making or receiving a call or performing any other interactive communication function;

DaveF327

LJW wrote: »

Hi Dave, he crossed the old price of £30 out on the ticket he was writing on (a pad of them) he said he couldn't give it me as it was the wrong amount. He said I would get a new one in the post with the £60 on.

Okaaay, after trawling through the Road Traffic Offenders Act, I can't find any loophole which invalidates the FPN as the amount of fixed penalty has been stated (even in manuscript) and there is no requirement for the notice to be issued in person. Furthermore, an FPN is "a notice offering the opportunity of the discharge of any liability to conviction of the offence to which the notice relates by payment of a fixed penalty" so it really wouldn't be in your interest to even try to invalidate the FPN as it's intended to save you from a more expensive prosecution. You cannot be convicted within 21 days of the date on the notice, so let's hope it arrives fairly soon by post.

Any hope now lies with the nature of the offence, rather than the FPN.

About the number plate i'm not sure how to get a pic if it on her and don't really want to put my full number on, any suggestions?

Take a picture of half of the number plate (the half with the sticker on, obviously) with a digital camera or mobile phone camera, then upload it to http://tinypic.com/ then post the link it gives you onto here.

LJW_2

sarahg1969 wrote: »

OP - you bought them to attract attention to yourself and your motor. And it worked, didn't it?

An FPN isn't going to be used in evidence, so any minor errors or amendments to it are irrelevant.

It's up to you if you want to fight it, but you'll be up for a larger fine, costs and victim surcharge if you do. I

I didn't buy them to bring attention to myself, I just liked them just as would if I bought a new coat!

LJW_2

harveybobbles wrote: »

I persoannly think that everyone who has a private reg should be shot or force fed plum tamatoes...

They are not private plates!!

LJW_2

Nilrem wrote: »

Re the paperwork, I don't beleive the officer needs to give it to you on the day (it would be silly to have offences go unpunished because say the officer had run out of the correct forms to give to the offender), so tehy can give you a verbal notice, with additional paperwork to follow.

I'm guessing if the change went through recently he's either ended up picking up a spare pad of the old type, or been given it and not thought to check it was the latest one, thus he can't give you it on the day.

I don't honestly think you've got much of a leg to stand on as the rules for number plate logo's are very clear (and I beleive haven't really changed in a while).
If the op is lucky he'll just get a "fix it" notice (vehicle defect notice?) which I beleive is an option the officer has in some cases, as it means he can get the plate changed to a legal one then present proof at his local station to avoid the fine.

One thing that does occur to me, if the op has a personal plate, I beleive the DVLA now have the option to recall it if someone breaks the rules in regards to displaying the registration mark repeatedly, and given the cost of some of those plates it's not something i'd risk.

Which reminds me, I'm going to have to have words with my sister if the police are cracking down on the plates, as she's got a playboy bunny logo on hers, something i'd told her not to get when she bought the plates.

There not personal plates, just have a logo on and letters are a little larger than normal. Still very clear to see, but yes still illegal!

LJW_2

Dave101t wrote: »

are your plates in the correct font?
also, these rules were learnt when i was doing my test years ago, i copied this for your info:


What you must not do with your number plate...

The law states that:

• You must not alter, rearrange or misrepresent the letters or numbers
• Characters must not be moved from one group to the other (e.g. A242 ABC must not be displayed as A242A BC).

That means:

• No stylised letters
• Don't move the space around
• Don't misrepresent letters / numbers using screws or fixings
• Don't misrepresent letters / numbers using squashed or distorted letters
• No images other than the approved flags (no football emblems, etc)

Full details of the requirements are included in The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001

thanks Dave, I think the only thing wrong with them looking at the above is that they are stylised letters. They are a kind of bubble writing but slimmer if that makes sense!! KA09 ZYP something like this but a little fatter!

LJW_2

DaveF327 wrote: »

Okaaay, after trawling through the Road Traffic Offenders Act, I can't find any loophole which invalidates the FPN as the amount of fixed penalty has been stated (even in manuscript) and there is no requirement for the notice to be issued in person. Furthermore, an FPN is "a notice offering the opportunity of the discharge of any liability to conviction of the offence to which the notice relates by payment of a fixed penalty" so it really wouldn't be in your interest to even try to invalidate the FPN as it's intended to save you from a more expensive prosecution. You cannot be convicted within 21 days of the date on the notice, so let's hope it arrives fairly soon by post.

Any hope now lies with the nature of the offence, rather than the FPN.
Take a picture of half of the number plate (the half with the sticker on, obviously) with a digital camera or mobile phone camera, then upload it to http://tinypic.com/ then post the link it gives you onto here.

Thanks again Dave, after your advice I think I will just pay it when it arrives. Prob not worth the hassle! but maybe I just won't pay my insurance next year and get fined a quarter of the price, or maybe sell drugs and to pay for it and get fined about £50...lol only joking but those are the things you see daily!! how frustrating :eek:

Halloway

Well it's usually the whinge of the criminal that his particular crime is trivial and why aren't the police catching the real criminals?

Grade_A_Reject

harveybobbles wrote: »

Cos they are nothing but hard work - from a dealers point of view!

The plates that are two letters, two numbers are fine - cos they look nice, but the ones where people try to make TR58ACY or BA58RRY - they are the ones who need to be force fed plum tomatoes!

There is one guy I see a lot round here who has C11 EAT on his silver Ferrari 612 - with a screw placed between the 11 to make it into a H...

The fun bit is they've actually paid money to make themselves look like an idiot.

No a wonkey 4 doesn't look like an A and a mis-shapen 8 doesn't look like a B....but you do look like a t1t.

LJW_2

Grade_A_Reject wrote: »

The fun bit is they've actually paid money to make themselves look like an idiot.

No a wonkey 4 doesn't look like an A and a mis-shapen 8 doesn't look like a B....but you do look like a t1t.

I'm glad mine doesn't look like any of them then!!!