Alcohol self help thread II

lewt

beer2006 wrote:

But some people may not want a higher power and may not want to pray :rolleyes:

thens it comes back to being willing to go to any lenghts. i myself would have eaten a raw cat if it would have stopped me feeling like did and drinking even though i didnt want to. if your not ready yet then you wont be ready. i know every1 has their own path but if i can make that a little shorter by my waffling on here to you and any lurkers i know there are lots. i will.;) :rolleyes:

Ididnt want to be an alcoholic. but i have to except to day that the only wasy to maintain being recoverd is to pray and have a higher power. i also have never heard of any1 using a mug or a pencil sharper except on here. the closist i have got is the group being the hp. i know for me no human power could save me. inculding me.

i can relate to want you say about being different beer. i thought i was the only one of me too and that is correct (google it if you dont belive me) but i have realised now i aint that much different to the other zillions of humans on the planet. in feelings or looks. i just thought i was. i also thought i was god and could control things. now io have a much clearer veiw of what i am and who/what i can change.

im off to a meeting now but will empty my bow, oh er. now jayne.
89 is ok. as a number foor wives i think as long as only 0.5 of them spoke the same lingo as me...

habibi_2

jayne.doe wrote:

this was the post i was referring to Habibi you told me off for calling you a victim. I was referring to rose as a victim as you yourself were. Not you and you slated me for it. I never said you were ever a victim. I got offended because you automatically assumed i was having a go at you when i wasnt.

I didn't call Rose a victim, that was someone else's post. I then wrote about how I try not to see myself as a victim. It is as poisonous for me as a resentment is to a drinker.

It is up to you if you choose to read more into it than that

Is anyone else having problems posting? I keep getting an error message

jayne.doe

well unless you changed your post i just read it and you did.

beer2006

I'm glad it works for you lewt, I know you have to believe in what you do utterly, otherwise it won't work for you.
Just I would never be able to believe, OK?

I'm just too much of a Stewie to believe anyone or anything else is a higher power than me.

jayne.doe

habibi wrote:

Hi Rose
Your OH may slip back but you don't have to - try to get on with your life. Also, maybe stop trying so hard, I did this for years and it wore me out.
My feeling is to give the vodka back to your OH and let him make his own choices but also let him deal with the consequences of his actions. I know this is easy to say and not so easy to do.
You don't have to decide anything today about leaving.
Hugs and Sweet dreams


"I don't think it is your fault. You are a victim, as is your OH, as lewt says, it is an illness. But the illness isn't yours, you can only fight it from a distance. OH has to fight. If you give him the choice, you or the drink, the choice is his."

Al we posted at the same time I think
I try today not to see myself as a victim but as someone who suffered as a result of a loved one's drinking. I learnt not to fight it but to let go and let my OH deal with his problem in his own way, as i had to learn to deal with mine.
Agree totally about the choices

Okay i can now see you used quotations. But i honestly felt offended i just feel like you talk down to me tbh, and i dont appreciate it. And i did read more into it.......

habibi_2

beer2006 wrote:

But some people may not want a higher power and may not want to pray :rolleyes:

I think that's probably true for most people. I certainly didn't want to rely on an HP, I wanted to do it my way and didn't see why I couldn't, forgetting that my best thinking up to then had got me to the desperate place I was in. I didn't have time to pray, I was too busy trying to sort everyone's life out for them. I have learnt a different way today.

Step 2 says "came to believe", not have to believe. I think the AAs try to get there quicker than Al-Anons cos it can be life or death for them if they continue to drink

beer2006

habibi wrote:

I think that's probably true for most people. I certainly didn't want to rely on an HP, I wanted to do it my way and didn't see why I couldn't, forgetting that my best thinking up to then had got me to the desperate place I was in. I didn't have time to pray, I was too busy trying to sort everyone's life out for them. I have learnt a different way today.

Step 2 says "came to believe", not have to believe. I think the AAs try to get there quicker than Al-Anons cos it can be life or death for them if they continue to drink

Thats great, but I don't want it. I don't want to learn to pray.
I don't like praying and I don't like higher powers.

I don't like being told what to do and I would never got on with AA or Al anon. So I'm out of this particular disscussion, because I've heard it all before and I don't like it.

Al_Mac

We have been here a couple of times before.

Horses for courses me thinks.

My main concern about AA, is everyone I've ever disccused it with seems brain washed, believing it is the only way and that alcohol is the route cause, not accepting it as a symptom.

I've stopped drinking, through the power of family love, the problems I had are still with me.

Been reading some AA stuff, recovery is based on staying in for life, doesn't sound like recovery to me, sounds like dependance.

Anyway, my comment, I'm ducking out.

beer2006

Hi Al, been hiding behind the sofa?

Tbh I almost said brain washing, but deleted it, I suppose we get blasted enough on here, I should be able to say what I like, its like the witness people I think, OK maybe not that bad. I know they do great work and all that and they save alot of people, just not me.
Why do I feel I have to keep justifying myself all the time, just because I don't want to go to AA?

jayne.doe

I honestly just feel "ganged" up on if i dont agree with aa or al anon and i hate that feeling. That feeling started me drinking in the first place. I wont put up with it. Everyone has a right to say what they feel but no-one has the right to make someone uncomftable. I said to Lewt this afternoon i am only debating, i dont want to be rude. I dont. Sometimes on this site i have said things wrongly and i know i have apologised for it...