CRB and a job that don`t invole driving !!

Shiny.Side.Up

Having recently applied for several NHS jobs, I can confirm LittleCat, that you did in fact lie on your application if you did not declare your ban.

One question on the application form states: Have you at any time received or had pending a criminal conviction, caution, warning, reprimand or bind-over?

Notice the wording? Have you at any time recieved.... At any time generally means at any point in your life, regardless of what has happened since.

SUESMITH_2

Shiny.Side.Up wrote: »

Having recently applied for several NHS jobs, I can confirm LittleCat, that you did in fact lie on your application if you did not declare your ban.

One question on the application form states: Have you at any time received or had pending a criminal conviction, caution, warning, reprimand or bind-over?

Notice the wording? Have you at any time recieved.... At any time generally means at any point in your life, regardless of what has happened since.

same for me in education - convictions even if they normally would be considered spent have to be declared, everything and anything

oily_rag

Interesting info from Wikipedia.

"Enhanced CRB Check:


Enhanced checks are for posts involving a far greater degree of contact with children or vulnerable adults. In general, the type of work will involve regularly caring for, supervising, training or being in sole charge of such people. Examples include a Teacher, Scout or Guide leader. Enhanced checks are also issued for certain statutory purposes such as gaming and lottery licences.


Enhanced checks contain the same information as Standard checks but with the addition of any locally held police force information considered relevant to the job role, by Chief Police Officer(s)."

The last paragraph seems to imply that if you pass the standard CRB check then unless there's anything extra particularly relevant to the job you've applied for then you'll probably pass the enhanced check too.


Another interesting quote I found (don't know how true it is)

Criminal Records

A person's offence will still remain on the Police National Computer even after it has become spent - it will not be deleted. Broadly, according to the guidelines from the Association of Chief Police Officers, records of 'recordable' offences (i.e. offences which can be tried in the Crown Court, whether or not they are) should be deleted after 10 years, unless they show that the offender has 3 or more convictions for recordable offences (in which case the record will be kept for 20 years); has been given custodial sentences (in which case the record will be kept for life); has been convicted of indecency, sexual offences, violence, possession of Class A drugs, or trafficking in, importing of or supply of any drug (in which case the record will be kept for life); been found unfit to plead by reason of insanity, or has been sentenced under the Mental Health Acts (in which case the record will be kept for life); been convicted of an offence involving a child or vulnerable adult where the MO indicates that the person deliberately targets such people ( in which case the record will be kept for life)."

This seems to imply that unless you are a serious or serial offender it may be common practice to delete criminal convictions from the pnc after 10 years... but not necessarily so. A very inexact science by all accounts. You pays your money you takes your choice!

dmg24

oily_rag wrote: »

The last paragraph seems to imply that if you pass the standard CRB check then unless there's anything extra particularly relevant to the job you've applied for then you'll probably pass the enhanced check too.

You do not pass or fail a CRB check, the CRB simply provides the relevant information to the (potential) employer.

oily_rag

dmg24 wrote: »

You do not pass or fail a CRB check, the CRB simply provides the relevant information to the (potential) employer.

Perhaps I should have used the word 'clear' instead of 'pass'.

A strange thing happened at a firm I once worked for when an agency employee turned up one day but before he started work he was sent away. It later transpired that his standard CRB check had revealed a minor parking offence or something that he hadn't declared. Totally irrelevant to the job but it was the fact he hadn't declared it was the reason he was turned away. We all felt a bit sorry for the guy and the unit manager who was in charge of about 200 people said in that case he shouldn't be there either then because he had a couple of speeding convictions. Just shows how unfair life can be sometimes.

onlyforboards_2

pinkshoes wrote: »

One day, I'm quite sure all those on benefits will have to work for them.

I am pretty sure plenty of people on benefits look forward to this mythical day of full employment. Particularly during this recession.

honeyD

Sorry but just have a similar question.
Do you have to disclose the information if you were caught driving without insurance and received points and paid a fine? No court or anything.

LinasPilibaitisisbatman

oily_rag wrote: »

Interesting info from Wikipedia.

The last paragraph seems to imply that if you pass the standard CRB check then unless there's anything extra particularly relevant to the job you've applied for then you'll probably pass the enhanced check too.


Another interesting quote I found (don't know how true it is)


This seems to imply that unless you are a serious or serial offender it may be common practice to delete criminal convictions from the pnc after 10 years... but not necessarily so. A very inexact science by all accounts. You pays your money you takes your choice!

I think the enhanced check more looks for details held on police intelligence databases but not taken to prosecution for a variety of reasons.

I.e Such and Such was accuded of rape but the victim decided they couldnt face a court date.

LinasPilibaitisisbatman

honeyD wrote: »

Sorry but just have a similar question.
Do you have to disclose the information if you were caught driving without insurance and received points and paid a fine? No court or anything.

You may as well and cover yourself.

Unless its a driving job it wont affect you. If you don't and they find out then you could be sacked like the OP.

oily_rag

LinasPilibaitisisbatman wrote: »

I think the enhanced check more looks for details held on police intelligence databases but not taken to prosecution for a variety of reasons.

I.e Such and Such was accuded of rape but the victim decided they couldnt face a court date.

I read that the police can send confidential letters to the prospective employer listing concerns about the job candidate that isn't disclosed to the candidate themselves. It's all a little bit sinister to be honest because the potential for abuse is huge. Besides the obvious scenario of someone being declined a job offer because of unproven allegations or suspicions there is scope for state persecution on political grounds, for example Joe Bloggs is a suspected communist or neo-nazi.