Tesco - Parent/Child + disabled car spaces

Jaffa.

poet123 wrote: »

I think that is uncalled for (FROM BOTH POSTERS)

As a mother and a driver with 4 kids I never needed a p&c space. I could quite easily get a baby seat out of my car, so I am not quite sure why others can't. Rain is a fact of life in the UK, and as such you plan for it, buy a seat with a hood or cover your baby with a brolly.

I think that a lot of new mums do think that they are now entitled to special privileges, the reality is that we do choose to have children, and the special spaces should in my opinion be confined to those who are disabled and therefore have no choice in the matter.

Kids love the rain I love the rain

poet123

I dont think personal attacks are called for, or productive, full stop.

The fact that the original post seemed to be saying that the poster would suffer in some way by not being able to park in a P&C was probably what prompted the furore. These spaces are there, but not legally enforcable, and the analogy with the old lady again suggests there is need or infirmity, that cannot be applicable to having a baby.

Making life easier is not the same as manners, lot of sectors of society have issues,all of them cannot be accomodated. if they are not of their own choosing then we should do what we can, having a child is not in the same category of need as age, disability or mental incapacity. It is a sad indictment on society that many parents feel that it is incumbent on the rest of the world to make allowances.

That said, if I was on a bus and a young mother with a baby had to stand I would give her my seat,(and have done) that is very different to having a space near the door of a supermarket when there are a myriad of others available.

kernewek

Jaffa. wrote: »

It's not the most civil response.

Well perhaps

melorablack

When I was little my mum would get the baby out of the baby seat in the car and put the baby in the pram or trolley......not the whole car seat lol

kernewek

poet123 wrote: »

I dont think personal attacks are called for, or productive, full stop.

The fact that the original post seemed to be saying that the poster would suffer in some way by not being able to park in a P&C was probably what prompted the furore. These spaces are there, but not legally enforcable, and the analogy with the old lady again suggests there is need or infirmity, that cannot be applicable to having a baby.

Making life easier is not the same as manners, lot of sectors of society have issues,all of them cannot be accomodated. if they are not of their own choosing then we should do what we can, having a child is not in the same category of need as age, disability or mental incapacity. It is a sad indictment on society that many parents feel that it is incumbent on the rest of the world to make allowances.

That said, if I was on a bus and a young mother with a baby had to stand I would give her my seat,(and have done) that is very different to having a space near the door of a supermarket when there are a myriad of others available.

Please read my post. my problem is with the abuse of a facility provided. I don't think it is reasonable for people to abuse this. I'm sorry that some people clearly have a problem with this. I was also referring to the abuse of disabled spaces in my OP. I haven't been a parent long but I do know that before I was a parent I had no problem with P&C spaces and wouldn't have dreamt of abusing them. I was still able to park, usually in a space closer but then I'm capable of parking a car in the middle of a space. The P&C spaces in my Tesco are futher away from the disabled spaces, and rightly so. The one's at our local Lidl are closer, and I agree that is not on.
But I don't like this argument about choice. Having children might be a choice, but it is one that nearly everyone makes. It is part of life. But seriously have you seen the size of most supermarket car parks. Its not like there is a shortage of spaces, so people really don't have a need to abuse disabled and P&C spaces. It is just down to pure laziness and lack of thought. But the essence of your argument is that if people make a choice then why should people help. That to me is a sad indictment of society.

poet123

No, the essence of my post is that many people assume that because they choose to change their circumstances then others need to adapt to the change. The reality is that they need to adapt to the change, not others.

It is not about the size of supermarket car parks, but about the fact that certain sections of society seem to believe that they take precedence over other sections without real need, only want. It is not necessary to have a larger space to get a child out of a car, it may be easier, but it is not necessary. I would far rather see more disabled spaces than P&C spaces, where they are needed rather than wanted.

I imagine lots of people feel the same and so do not see parking in a P&C space as abuse,merely redressing the balance. Afterall disabled spaces are enforcable by law,any others are not.

kernewek

poet123 wrote: »

No, the essence of my post is that many people assume that because they choose to change their circumstances then others need to adapt to the change. The reality is that they need to adapt to the change, not others.

It is not about the size of supermarket car parks, but about the fact that certain sections of society seem to believe that they take precedence over other sections without real need, only want. It is not necessary to have a larger space to get a child out of a car, it may be easier, but it is not necessary. I would far rather see more disabled spaces than P&C spaces, where they are needed rather than wanted.

I imagine lots of people feel the same and so do not see parking in a P&C space as abuse,merely redressing the balance. Afterall disabled spaces are enforcable by law,any others are not.

For the last time I do not believe I take precedence over anyone. But the size of the car park is relevant because it can accommodate the spaces without putting people out. I agree there should be more disabled spaces. I also agree there is no specific desperate need for a P&C space but to dismiss it as something people want is unwise. Is there really a problem with providing a facility that at the end of the day doesn't put people out but helps a few people. I cannot understand people's problem with this. But I do take exception to people who abuse this when they could find a normal space within 20 metres.

Beebop

This may be going off topic slightly but at a Sainsburys Local I went to last week there were 8 car parking spaces. They were divided up as:
3 Disabled spaces
3 Parent and child Spaces
2 "Regular" spaces
Weirdly, the 2 "regular" spaces are nearest the entrance to the shop!!!!!!
What makes me laugh is that all the spaces are the same size so why do they therefore need to designate any as Parent and Child???? I personally don't get the "I'm a parent and therefore need to have a bigger space to get child/carry seat out of car" argument as I manage fine in normal spaces.......(yes I am female before anyone shouts I must be a man).
Anyway, sorry for hijacking the thread with my thought but just felt that Sainsburys have perhaps taken things a step too far...

poet123

There is a problem when people start to see it as a "right" and not a "priviledge".

The P&C spaces are there because they were lobbied for by parents groups who think they are a special case.

Equally, if there is no real need, and the facility to find a normal space within 20 metres why is it so important to have them?

kernewek

Beebop wrote: »

This may be going off topic slightly but at a Sainsburys Local I went to last week there were 8 car parking spaces. They were divided up as:
3 Disabled spaces
3 Parent and child Spaces
2 "Regular" spaces
Weirdly, the 2 "regular" spaces are nearest the entrance to the shop!!!!!!
What makes me laugh is that all the spaces are the same size so why do they therefore need to designate any as Parent and Child???? I personally don't get the "I'm a parent and therefore need to have a bigger space to get child/carry seat out of car" argument as I manage fine in normal spaces.......(yes I am female before anyone shouts I must be a man).
Anyway, sorry for hijacking the thread with my thought but just felt that Sainsburys have perhaps taken things a step too far...

That does seem a bit bizarre