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Changingme

I've always been a stay at home mum here to take kids school but while doing this I've worked three part-time jobs mainly evenings and weekends when hubby or my parents could look after kids just 2 of them.As to tax credits we were better of with married mans allowence,we don't go out drink or smoke so we can have family holiday each year I have friend just he same as us.I get cross when I seen all the teens with kids that seeem to have everything especial as it took years for us.

MyLastFiver

skcollobcat10 wrote: »

You will find that the mums who stay at home have either no qualifications and just do menial jobs on minimum wage.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

What a stunning piece of sociological research there.

My wife is a highly qualified and successful designer. You will have seen her designs on the high street. She gave up work for a career as a mother, which has proved to be more challenging and rewarding for her than any paid occupation.

However, there are many people (some on this thread) who do not rate parenthood as valuable work, when actually it's the most important job of all.

Toto

MyLastFiver wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

What a stunning piece of sociological research there.

My wife is a highly qualified and successful designer. You will have seen her designs on the high street. She gave up work for a career as a mother, which has proved to be more challenging and rewarding for her than any paid occupation.

However, there are many people (some on this thread) who do not rate parenthood as valuable work, when actually it's the most important job of all.

Most stay at home mums I know can only afford to do it because they have had a good career paying pretty high wages. The ones who have been on a lower pay scale tend to have to go back to work at least part time to make ends meet.

I agree, being a parent is the most important job in the world. I also think that people should be financially supported to have kids, our country needs them. These kids will be the ones who grow up and pay taxes, those taxes will pay for our healthcare and pensions when we are old. So I would much rather have these kids given a decent childhood so they can grow up to be intelligent law abiding citizens who go on to have careers, pay their taxes for the old and younger generations.

Lots of people say there won't be a state pension when I retire, but there will be, something at least. There will never ever be a time when pensioners are left to starve, there might be a different name for it but some benefit will be there for the elderly.

Bringing up a child, feeding them, clothing them, keeping a roof over their heads costs a lot of money, much more than the majority get in tax credits. So some people go away on foreign holidays, well, at least they are giving their kids something to aspire to.

MyLastFiver

Toto wrote: »

Most stay at home mums I know can only afford to do it because they have had a good career paying pretty high wages. The ones who have been on a lower pay scale tend to have to go back to work at least part time to make ends meet.

I agree, being a parent is the most important job in the world. I also think that people should be financially supported to have kids, our country needs them. These kids will be the ones who grow up and pay taxes, those taxes will pay for our healthcare and pensions when we are old. So I would much rather have these kids given a decent childhood so they can grow up to be intelligent law abiding citizens who go on to have careers, pay their taxes for the old and younger generations.

Lots of people say there won't be a state pension when I retire, but there will be, something at least. There will never ever be a time when pensioners are left to starve, there might be a different name for it but some benefit will be there for the elderly.

Bringing up a child, feeding them, clothing them, keeping a roof over their heads costs a lot of money, much more than the majority get in tax credits. So some people go away on foreign holidays, well, at least they are giving their kids something to aspire to.

Agree with everything you say. So many European countries look after parents and children so much better than we do, and citizens there don't just bleat on about their taxes because they understand the importance of, as you say, a decent childhood.

MyLastFiver

skcollobcat10 wrote: »

I don't believe people should be financially supported by the government to have children.

It is a choice to have them, and if so, you should be able to financially support them yourselves.

If you can't afford them on the salaries you earn you should not expect other people to pay for your lifestyle choice.

Yes. We can't have those awful human qualities of love, compassion and community spirit clogging up the well-oiled economic machine.

Toto

skcollobcat10 wrote: »

I don't believe people should be financially supported by the government to have children.

It is a choice to have them, and if so, you should be able to financially support them yourselves.

If you can't afford them on the salaries you earn you should not expect other people to pay for your lifestyle choice.

Of course, I mean that attitude worked so well before the times when we had the welfare state. People never had kids they couldn't afford did they? Those kids never ended up in workhouses or being hung for stealing a loaf of bread because they were starving, did they.

yellowmonkey

I try not to think about what other people have or what they earn. It does not affect how I live my life.

Sometimes you have to step back and look at what you have and be thankfull for a roof over my head and the good health of my children and the love of my family and partner.

I would rather watch my children play happily for nothing than watch Corrie on a 50' Plasma.

I had expensive holidays and new telly all on debt and am now paying the price but that was not seen by people looking at my life from outside.

Interesting views though

ym

jollymummy

Originally Posted by skcollobcat10
You will find that the mums who stay at home have either no qualifications and just do menial jobs on minimum wage.

I have an honours degree and I stay at home with my son because for us it's the right thing to do, it's the most rewarding job I've ever had.

Fridge2

MyLastFiver wrote: »

Yes. We can't have those awful human qualities of love, compassion and community spirit clogging up the well-oiled economic machine.

Actually, you have somewhat oversimplified the situation here....

I agree that there should be no economic handouts simply because pople have children.

However, in turn, I am in favour of cutting taxes-all taxes-as much as is humanly possible so that folk can keep more of the money they earn.
I mean, why tax someone, then give it back? just tax them less in the first place!

It seems senseless to me to have this great cumbersome mechanism whjere money is coerced from people then redistributed back to them and others-it probably is very wasteful in administrative costs alone.

charley24

You will find that the mums who stay at home have either no qualifications and just do menial jobs on minimum wage.

Oh this is a seriously deluded post ! If you had said 'some Mum's but you actually wrong 'the mums'.

I stayed at home with my daughter as she was born prematurely and had health issues. I left a well paid Managers job and then ended up in debt because she was my priority.

I have now been employed for over 2 years in a new role, new career and I started at the bottom on a lot less than I had previously earned because being a hotel manager doing split shifts and weekends was not beneficial to my children.

Oh and menial jobs ? I prefer the company of the down to earth cleaners at my place than some of the snotty managers who wouldn't give you the time of the day, it may be not too taxing on the brain, but by god they work harder than others who sit at their desk all day while cleaners clean toilets and kitchens for people who are too lazy to load a dishwasher !

You may look down on the lady in the chip shop serving up your cod, but I bet with every chip she fries she is probably doing it for her children not for herself.