canterbury conservatories at B&Q

Jason1974

hooleyhooley wrote: »

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Would get you the very best consevatory avalable in this country for that price....with total impartial advice....

Personally,I take my customers out for the day to 3or4 different jobs that we have done...and encourage them to talk to my old clients...

Insist on this...not just one....

Look its like this,if you where buying a nice second hand Mercedes,you would maybe look at 3...you might travel to SOUTHAMPTON,SOUTH END..OR NORTH LONDON.....the point is if they are local..then see the previous project...dont be the first of thier efforts...

David

Thanks David,

The local company that came last night did offer to arrange house visits to local jobs they have done in the area. This is something I will now be asking from all 3 companies that I have asked to quote me.

hooleyhooley

Hi

No problem Jason,they sound fair....and a wise move....

If you have some drawing or icads and aphoto of your site ,,,send them over I can have quick look for you...have no agena...if it save s you a few quid..stick a pound in the charity box..

Regards
David

milla

"Also Canterbury insist I must pay an additional £500 for planning permission for a conservatory that is more than 3 metres on a semi detached house. This is something that the local comapny have said is complete rubbish, no planning permission is required as my conservatory will be less than 52 sq cubic metres & is not less than 20 meters from the closest road & my house has not been extended before."


I had this last year as my conservatory was being built at the time of a new law coming in (October 1st 2008 ) The local planning officer came out and informed me that the conservatory would need planning permission as it was more than 3 metres out from the original house wall . Therefore I would say that Canterbury are correct .


The 4th bullet point on here would appear to confirm this
http://www.conservatoryinfo.co.uk/planpermission.html

hooleyhooley

Srry Jason ..just read the rest of your post...have just done a consutancy for a national company,that has come across the same problem...I dont agree with the metre,your only adding weight..thats the problem...you need a test hole and see what your house is built on[footings wise...I would suggest [strognly] a raft,with reinforced bar...or a steel base...which I use alot...

The house was in the area of Herne at the back of the windmill area...horrible ground...all clay....See what if the clay goes down 5m....IF you go below 1.5m most insurances for footing in the ground for conservatory companies are not covered...

A raft or steels...get them to prove this...dont pay for the test hole...the company I did the consultancy for ...household name...charged the people £470...THIEVES

hooleyhooley

Great attachment Milla....although I know some planning offices that ar not that fussed....but fair play,clear and precise instruction

milla

Thanks hooleyhooley !

If I was in Jason's position now I would make a quick call to the planning office and find out for myself ...better than trying to sell your home in a couple of years time and find out then that it should have had pp ! (My 'sad' neighbour reported mine but actually did me a big favour as it then got sorted at the time !

Jason1974

milla wrote: »

"Also Canterbury insist I must pay an additional £500 for planning permission for a conservatory that is more than 3 metres on a semi detached house. This is something that the local comapny have said is complete rubbish, no planning permission is required as my conservatory will be less than 52 sq cubic metres & is not less than 20 meters from the closest road & my house has not been extended before."


I had this last year as my conservatory was being built at the time of a new law coming in (October 1st 2008 ) The local planning officer came out and informed me that the conservatory would need planning permission as it was more than 3 metres out from the original house wall . Therefore I would say that Canterbury are correct .



Thanks for that info Milla.

However the local guy that came yesterday advised I would not require permission as my house was built pre 1970. It is actually a 1930's house with a large garden, so my conservatory would probably be taking up no more than 5-10% of the land. I was advised that houses built pre 1970 have some kind of law that allows you to build certain temporary buildings that are no more than 50 something Sq cubic metres. He said that conservatories are still classed as a temporary building. He also said that all new homes build after 1970 generally have a smaller garden & have had same law removed that allows you to get away without planning permission.

I looked through your document & to be honest from reading that I am now even more convinced I do not require the permission. Once I have the quotes from the local comnpany to compare with Canterbury I will be calling them back to discuss some points that they seem to have over looked.

Jason1974

hooleyhooley wrote: »

Srry Jason ..just read the rest of your post...have just done a consutancy for a national company,that has come across the same problem...I dont agree with the metre,your only adding weight..thats the problem...you need a test hole and see what your house is built on[footings wise...I would suggest [strognly] a raft,with reinforced bar...or a steel base...which I use alot...

The house was in the area of Herne at the back of the windmill area...horrible ground...all clay....See what if the clay goes down 5m....IF you go below 1.5m most insurances for footing in the ground for conservatory companies are not covered...

A raft or steels...get them to prove this...dont pay for the test hole...the company I did the consultancy for ...household name...charged the people £470...THIEVES

The guy from the local company has stated they only work within a 20 mile radius of where they are based. They have over 10 year experience in our area & has said he can offer over 80 conservatories that have been built by his company for me to view.I feel confident they have an in depth knowledge of the conditions around my area & he advised that the foundations would be between 1-1.7 metres deep. I have another local company coming this evening & am now more prepared than when I first started out so it will be interesting to see what they say.

To be fair the company last night left me feeling very confident with there abilities. They where very professional & advised I would get my written quote on friday hand delivered with drawings & product information. This is teh complete opposite to Canterbury who did my quote in 10 mins on a scrap piece of paper with no drawings or advice on optional extra's such as vents in the roof & heating for the winter. The downside to last nights company is they do not provide finance unlike Canterbury.

hooleyhooley

The local company offering that precise info on depths,show the knowledge required for me......yes unfortunate that no finance available...there are other ways to gain that..

I personally like a company that offer all the info up front and that you dont have to or should be second guessing or having to request information...I also like to see that in the quotation,so its not forgotten later...

planning_officer

Hi Jason - I'm afraid you have been given some absolutely awful advice from this local company about planning issues! The local company you refer to is talking complete rubbish about planning permission - it is entirely wrong what they say and quite annoys me to be honest, as it just soooo wrong - literally everything they say! Firstly, if you build a conservatory now it has to comply with the current permitted development in order to avoid having to apply for planning permission. It makes absolutely no difference if the house was built in the 1930s, the 1970s, 2008 or even the 1800s - it's the current legislation that matters. So, if you are in a semi, then you can extend for up to 3m in depth beyond the rear wall of the original house (which does not include to the rear of any previous extensions) as permitted development. There are other criteria too, but for a single storey conservatory they're not too relevant.

However, be aware that permitted development rights can be withdrawn from a property or a wider area by the Council (either by a condition on a previous planning permission, or by an Article 4 Direction) which in effect means that any addition to the property will require planning permission - however small it is. It's worth checking with the Council that permitted developemnts are still in force on your property.

Jason1974 wrote: »

However the local guy that came yesterday advised I would not require permission as my house was built pre 1970. It is actually a 1930's house with a large garden, so my conservatory would probably be taking up no more than 5-10% of the land. I was advised that houses built pre 1970 have some kind of law that allows you to build certain temporary buildings that are no more than 50 something Sq cubic metres. He said that conservatories are still classed as a temporary building.

This bit in bold is utter rubbish - conservatories are NOT temporary buildings - they are permanent extensions to a house. The only definition of temporary in planning legislation is something that is in situ for no more than 28 days in one year - so unless you're proposing to demolish it every year and re-erect it for a month before demolishing it again, it's not temporary. The 50 cubic metres (not sqm) that he refers to is the old permitted development legislation, that was abolished on 1 Oct 2008 - so it is completely irrelevant.

Jason1974 wrote: »

He also said that all new homes build after 1970 generally have a smaller garden & have had same law removed that allows you to get away without planning permission.

Eh? Definitely no - complete drivel. This guy should not be providing such dud advice. There is no such law and never has been.

Jason1974 wrote: »

Also Canterbury insist I must pay an additional £500 for planning permission for a conservatory that is more than 3 metres on a semi detached house. This is something that the local comapny have said is complete rubbish, no planning permission is required as my conservatory will be less than 52 (actually 50) sq cubic metres & is not less than 20 meters from the closest road & my house has not been extended before.

Again, this bold bit is rubbish - that's the old permitted development legislation which has absolutely no relevance to your proposed conservatory. The old legislation worked on volumes, whereas the new legislation refers to depths, widths and heights only.

Canterbury Conservatories seem to know what they are talking about, planning-wise - but this local company have not got a clue about planning!! They really do need some basic training on planning issues - as they clearly know absolutely nothing about it, and I dread to think how many peeople they have given shoddy advice to - how many conservatories have they erected that should have had planning permission?! They may make nice conservatories, but they can't tell their a*se from their ear when it comes to planning issues!!