Sunday Solution / Bradbury&Co.

Zotter

Dont think Chris Collins and Andrew McIntyre work there any more. They were just contractors. So was Derek Taylor and a few others.
Claire Palmer was one of the few permanent people there, not sure if she is still there, since there is now no communication at all.
About 2 or 3 weeks ago when I was still in contact with them, I was told they are laying off perm staff and getting rid of the contractors one by one. I think they might only be left with a handful of people trying to get through the mountain of work.

One question nobody seem to be able to answer, how long can they legally hang on to the money due to the HMRC in Jan before it becomes theft?
They sent me my draft accounts, which I approved, and in that letter it stated that upon agreement to the amount, they will distribute the funds. This is not happening. Been 3 weeks now. So I ask again, legally, are they within their rights to keep it until January when the payments are due? If they do not give it back in time, are they liable for any penalties and interest?

In my opinion the most useful piece of information for all of us right now, would be to know who the administrator of your parternhip is. Does anybody know this? I spoke to the police and they say that they have proof that each partnership does have an administrator appointed, but they are not allowed to give out that information. No whether the police have followed up on one or two examples of that, I have no idea. In my case the telephone number as well as the address for the partership, including the ones that are registered with the HMRC, are bogus! Telephone number is not in use and mail to the address gets returned undelivered. So where are these administrators?

sundaythieves

Zotter wrote: »

In my case the telephone number as well as the address for the partership, including the ones that are registered with the HMRC, are bogus! Telephone number is not in use and mail to the address gets returned undelivered. So where are these administrators?

The administrators for most partnerships were / are in Hungary, which is where Andrew Nyiri is from. He told me so himself...

As far as "how long can they hold on to our money until it becomes theft". It is theft right now in my opinion ... it was theft a long time ago ... It became theft the first time you asked for your money back and they didn't give it back...

BiggerPic

I have been reading a number of these postings for some time; I’m amazed at how so many people have jumped on the band wagon of fraud and conspiracy theory, I’m also increasingly concerned at people’s willingness to contact authorities like HMRC and the Police! I joined a Partnership introduced via Sunday and Bradbury and worked in it for almost two years leaving in May of this year as the Partnership was to cease trading, (I know of five other consultants who joined at a similar time all of which have a similar story as me. I have since joined a PAYE Umbrella, not a good move!) My 07/08 accounts were submitted on time and in February I received funds from the Partnership that went toward my tax liability.
I was forced to join the partnership, in a roundabout way, as I had been made aware of the pitfalls relating to Ltd companies and IR35 together with the low % returns offered via PAYE umbrellas. The Partnership solutions suited me as I genuinely believe I am a consultant (Media) who should not be taxed as an employee or caught by IR35, and on joining I assumed I was amongst equals in that thought process. (Safety in numbers, etc.) One key fact is that the partnership offered a legitimate higher rate of return over that of PAYE, and whilst my current Ltd company was under the IR35 limelight it was the only viable option, I assumed HMRC aggressive stance on Tax particularly for “Contractors” would mean the Partnership may in a future date be closed but it seemed to be relatively low on the HMRC radar at my time of joining. I have in this last week received accounts from Bradbury for the Partnership, it confirms my Client account and requests I approve the accounts online, it would appear Bradbury have radically reduced it staffing which has resulted in any form of communication being near impossible? (Not a wise decision given the animosity expressed in this forum) the accounts have been checked by my new accountant and he is happy with them, I am disappointed as my rate of return was not as good as i had hoped, but accept the costs within the Partnership changed due to the closure process, I remain considerably better-off than the return I get via PAYE. I have then approved the accounts and look forward to the remainder of my Client account fees.
My Concern: In Bradbury’s letter they mention a HMRC investigation into the employment status of “some” Partners, the net result could be additional tax I assume for “some” of these Partners. My concern is that should the people on this forum continue to contact HMRC and highlight the Partnership structure, (a structure where they enjoyed a low rate of tax) I will become part of this “Some” and find myself with a Big unexpected tax bills and worse an investigation into my “employed status!!!” the words “Cake” and “eat it” come to mind.
It’s obvious that this process has been badly managed by Bradbury, it’s obvious that many people had a complete lack of understanding of what they had joined, it’s obvious to me that many people have received accounts and paid up client accounts as I have in Feb of this year, it’s obvious that some people are disappointed because all the glitters is not Gold! And it’s also obvious that if we all shout enough the only true Fraud will be the money taken from “all” not “some” of the Partners by the HMRC in additional tax!!! Bigger picture people... Bigger Pic.....

sundaythieves

Good point... however your "bigger picture" is not the same as my bigger picture, and many other's bigger pictures.

I calculate that I'll be paying about 15k extra tax, purely because Bradbury has ran off with all my partnership accounts. No partnership accounts = no partnership costs = higher tax liability.

This 15k, quickly becomes 30k if you add the money that Bradbury "stole" (or spent on fake partnership costs, closing down partnership costs, whatever they are), plus the "Sunday Solutions" fee, which was already too high from the beginning, means that my net benefit is a lot lower than it would have been under any other Umbrella PAYE company, or indeed a lot lower than it would have been under IR35! Sunday Solutions didn't give me a better return than IR35 - they made things a lot worse! And they attracted the HMRC spotlight by failing to file our returns on time, or handing back our tax provision on time. My tax provision was too large - I was not in a position to pay that myself, so there was no way I could have kept the HMRC happy. In other words, Bradbury screwed me over in more ways than one.

You were one of the lucky ones - tax return filed on time and you got most of your money back. Other people in this forum - not so lucky. You can't blame people here for contacting the authorities, especially when Bradbury literally cut us off from any communication. I don't believe they don't have enough staff to field our calls by the way. Even if there were just 1 person - Andrew Nyiri - working through our accounts, he should spend an entire weekend just calling people up and offering an update. He doesn't do that because he was told not to do that - by his superiors.

I haven't done anything wrong and I've got nothing to hide. And I've paid a HUGE amount of tax to boot (yes - on top of the Sunday Fees / partnership costs, etc etc). Let the HMRC investigate me if they want. I'll do whatever it takes if it helps bring down Bradbury / Sunday Solutions / [TEXT DELETED] / Fleming Laing / etc etc.

I'm just curious about one thing: You say that you received your "accounts", but did you receive any details as to what the partership costs came from? Or did you simply look at those costs and think "they're higher than they should have been, but that's ok".

sbsoon

I'm in the same positon as lots of others in this post. I joined Sunday in March 2008 and left after 3 months or so. When I resigned from my partnership , Bradbury arranged for my remaining money to be paid to me which arrived about a week later. I did hold my breath for problems - as they had provided professional indemnity insurance for a 12 month period and I expected them to ask me for a refund, but everything was fine and I had an email saying that everything was square.

I'm now told that I owe over £4000 same as Danvito has said earlier. I said they can get stuffed too, there's no chance that I am paying for something I left over a year ago.

They say that if I don't pay, then the partnership will not be able to pay the others partners and thats why there are people out there saying that they have lost their money. My solicitor reckons that if the other partners in MY partnership take action (Ive seen at least one on this forum in my partnership) then they will be taking me to court not Sunday. How does that work!

I have found out that Darren Green set up the scheme back in 2006 and has been living a lifestyle off the profits, also known as our tax money. He moved overseas to avoid any backlash on him and had the money transfered over to him. I have got a private investigator monitoring him and he has been swapping his car every week to avoid border controls.

myaccount_2

Few queries-

Police & Regulators :-

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> While people claim in this forum that they have informed the cops, has any one got a Police Case Reference Number ?

Personally, I don't think emailing the cops is the right option. I am preparing all the details of my partnership with Bradbury and going to approach the cops.
If someone has already got a Case Reference Number we could all go to the same person/department of police. I am sure its easy to track down anyone these days.


Partnership Account Letter:-

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> I've not received any letters from them regarding my partnership accounts. Could someone let me know as to what is that they mentioned in this letter ?

Limited Company:-

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> Has anyone started their own company yet ? I didn't want to take any chances so asked my Umbrella company to give me all my tax retention money. They didn't like that have sent me an email saying that they no longer want to continue with me just paying them their expenses.


Tax 2008/09:-

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> I am surprised few people here say that they would wait till Jan 2010 to see if Bradbury makes the payment into our taxes. Don't you'll realise, if they don't do it by Jan 31st we will incur intrest for late payments.

> Has anyone made alternate arrangements to get their tax prepared for 2008/09 ? Please let me know how to go about doing this ?


Warning:-

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It's funny how we blindly trusted these guys. The whole time I was this new partnership company, they were sending me emails with their names in it. As soon as I asked them for my money back, they stopped using their names in the emails.

Zotter

I have asked this before, but no responses yet. Do any of you know who your partnership administrators are? If so, how did you find out?

bradburyhell

I have only recently become aware that I am deeply implicated in this Sunday/Bradbury Hell. I operated through a partnership throughout 2008/09 and (like so many others) have been unable to conduct any meaningful communication with Bradbury & Co regarding my partnership accounts and retained funds. I suspect that there are a significant number of people facing the same predicament (including people who still don’t realise what is happening). Can anyone offer any help or advice from their experiences thus far? Is it possible to communicate privately on this forum? I would certainly be interested in speaking to those similarly affected, in order to file a joint legal action against these people – I suspect that this is the best chance we have of getting any of our money back! After reading the two threads on this subject, I will contact: the Police, Trading Standards, Watchdog, and Companies House. I found my contact with HMRC was confusing and counter-productive (that’s being generous). Is there anything else constructive I can do before initiating legal action?

Mike1004

I've spoken to the police, from what I heard they are as confused as the rest of us. They appear to be scaling down their investigation as they don't believe that any criminal activity has taken place (I know unbelieveable!!). I do not believe the people they have had on the case have any experience in fraud!

BiggerPic

Happily I had an email today confirming my monies would be paid at the end of the month. I'm very interested in this road show both at Bardbury and on this Website!! It would seem that some people are getting overexcited and looking for someone to hang!! I’ve read a long list of people’s names and contact details, company addresses etc all very interesting (I’ve been to the Tram shed, when joining the Partnership!!) but when the music stops what does it come down to? Bad communication... I have a number of consultants that have had accounts as me in the last week, and all seem to be happy with what has been sent through, perhaps not what they expected but they don’t wish to hang anyone!! Keep it real people.