Car Scrappage Scheme

dogdog99

@goldspanners - that single operative word contradicts your post #68, i.e. that:
"THE VEHICLE MUST HAVE A VALID MOT CERTIFICATE",
hence this conversation.

If you are uncomfortable answering my original question (post #70), you don't have to.

goldspanners

dogdog99 wrote: »

@goldspanners - that single operative word contradicts your post #68, i.e. that:
"THE VEHICLE MUST HAVE A VALID MOT CERTIFICATE",
hence this conversation.

If you are uncomfortable answering my original question (post #70), you don't have to.

according to the government ( remember they are the ones giving the scrap allowance, not parkers or any other publication) your vehicle must have an MOT amongst other specifics.
so yes i would be inclined to suggest that the parkers article is speculation,and nothing more at the moment,like thier price guides,hardly accurate.
nobody knows exactly how this will pan out,but one things for sure nobdy is really going to save very much money in real terms,infact it could loose some of the more unwitting amongst us some money.

question answered?

heres a poser for you. do you know of any government source suggesting your vehcile will qualify for the full scrap allowance without an MOT?

buglawton

see BBC website - SORN without MOT is acceptable - section "Will my old vehicle qualify if it is off the road?"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/moneybox/8018363.stm

buglawton

Or for something more official:
Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform web page - which does not fully confirm the BBC article that itself refers to this Govt Dept!
http://nds.coi.gov.uk/environment/fullDetail.asp?ReleaseID=399321&NewsAreaID=2&NavigatedFromDepartment=False

goldspanners

buglawton wrote: »

Or for something more official:
Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform web page - which does not fully confirm the BBC article that itself refers to this Govt Dept!
http://nds.coi.gov.uk/environment/fullDetail.asp?ReleaseID=399321&NewsAreaID=2&NavigatedFromDepartment=False

i had read this but as you say it didnt offer anything indepth about having an MOT other than saying it needed one.
the bbc article would suggest similar to what the parkers article suggests but in better fashion.

dogdog99

@goldspanners - Thanks for your answer!

I came to ask questions, not answer them. Nevertheless I’ll respond to your question as you have to mine:

No, because I don’t know of any government source that is stupid enough to actively advertise loopholes in systems it implements; clearly that is absurd. Yet to deny that loopholes are there just because they are not advertised is just as stupid.

Neither do I know of any government that is clever enough to come up with a system devoid of loopholes. And to deny that loopholes can happen just because they are not intended to is naive.

Just to be clear, I have NEVER declared that this particular loophole definitely does or does not exist – all I have asked members of this forum is to entertain the possibility of there being one, to which some of you are more open to than others...

CFC

dogdog99 wrote: »

@goldspanners - Thanks for your answer!

I came to ask questions, not answer them. ...

You sound like a smartypants to me, Mr 7 posts. Check out the BERR site for yourself. All we can go on at the moment is what the official publications say right now, not what journalists think could be possible with the wind behind them, going downhill and feeling optimistic. Why don't you drop it until BERR gives further details?

marioandretti

Will you really save £2000 ?
Lets look at how its supposed to work.
Under the scheme the government contributes £1000 and the car dealer contributes £1000. You as the buyer give your car to the dealer to gain the £2000 discount.

Lets now look at the business environment the car trade is operating in. Keeping it simple we all know the motor manufacturers are desperate to shift stock, there are severe job losses and the government have been asked to put in millions to shore up the car industry, otherwise the risk is more unemployment which benefits no-one.
Under these conditions the obvious answer is to cut prices to attract more buyers to sell more cars, right ?

FACT: I bought a VW Polo 18 months ago and paid £7150. My local dealers price is now £8095. Why when we know that to sell more cars we need to lower prices?
Because by raising the retail price by £1000 the dealer does not have to contribute their share under the scheme and the buyer unwittingly pays it for them, so would now only potentially gain £1000 benefit under the scheme, not £2000.
And what about the car you have part exchanged in ?
Lets say its worth £1000 to sell privately.

How would it have worked in my case ?
Buy car 18 months ago............ ..................................................pay £7150
Buy car now £8095 less £2000 scrap scheme= £6095
Plus the £1000 car that you handed in in part exchange . ... pay £7095
You just saved yourself only £55 instead of the £2000 mentioned earlier !

Obviously the amount you actually save will depend on two factors.
1. If the manufacturer has put up their prices recently.
2. What your car is actually worth.

In the best case scenario the manufacturer will NOT have increased prices recently.
You will part ex a £50 banger on its last legs and so gain £1950. In this instance the scheme will have worked well for you

Hope this information helps your buying decisions,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Lemonade_Pockets

Does anyone have any new angles on this? by which i mean one that hasn't been covered before.

I'm still wondering who gets the scrap value for these car's? Whats the deal between the scrappies and the Government?

Hintza

Lemonade_Pockets wrote: »

Does anyone have any new angles on this? by which i mean one that hasn't been covered before.

I'm still wondering who gets the scrap value for these car's? Whats the deal between the scrappies and the Government?

I tried to raise this earlier but no response!

But how about this. These guys are arguing that if vehicle owner has declared SORN then it doesn't need an MOT and therfore must be eligible for the scheme. So if these guys are correct how do you get your heap of junk to wherever it has to go to be scrapped since it is off the road it can't be driven there?

I have such a heap of junk but I'm not holding my breath.