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Advice on Teeth Whitening Discussion Thread

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  • brook2jack
    brook2jack Posts: 4,563 Forumite
    The only person who is a fraud is someone who claims to have used or bought products made by Dr Ginigers company white smile global.

    It is a development only company and has NEVER manufactured or sold anything let alone whitening products. The company announced in Dec 2012 it could not file its 10k accounts and has been declared inactive by share traders.

    The last set of accounts it published show clearly it has no sales, no income , no equipment save office equipment, and outgoings are patents and payments to directors. http://quote.morningstar.com/stock-filing/Quarterly-Report/2012/5/31/t.aspx?t=PINX:WSML&ft=10-Q&d=33ff74530470e2ef75e7aeacc779bd63

    Dr Giniger may well be bona fide , but this company has never produced anything and anyone claiming to have used a system produced by them is very sorely mistaken .
  • welshdent
    welshdent Posts: 2,000 Forumite
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    I mean, anyone that is a respected "leader" in their field will have a paper or 20 published in one of the leading dental journals in the world. Hell even I am published. I contributed to what was described to me as a "seminal paper".
    If your chap you are on about has managed to become a leader in the field of tooth whitening they WILL have been published. Thats the only way to get any real credibility in the dental world. I have just randomly done some searches of lecturers that I have been taught by at university, people who have delivered courses I have attended and ones I have just casually heard of in dental circles. Every single one comes up with articles when I search pubmed.

    Pub med is a search engine for medical journals. have a look on there and type in names you have come across. I am confident that if they are worth their salt then they will have research published.
  • brook2jack
    brook2jack Posts: 4,563 Forumite
    Dr Giniger has indeed started a company in the UK but not white smile as posted . He has started beconfident. It does sell tooth whitening products that contain glycerine and baking soda, or sodium perborate.

    Quote from website

    "he ingredients?
    beconfiDent Whitening Gel
    Organic Vegetable Glycerin (Kosher, USP), Organic Natural Baking Soda (Kosher, USP), Potassium Nitrate, Organic Kosher Gluten-Free Flavour Extracts, Natural Xylitol, Carbomer 940, Sorbitol, Trolamine, Aloe Leaf Juice, Pomegranate Seed Extract, Chamomile Flower Extract, Sodium Fluoride

    beconfiDent Dual Foam Toothpaste (Cleaning):
    Water (Aqua), Alcohol, Glycerin, Poloxamer 188, Polysorbate 20, Flavour (Aroma), Sodium Saccharin, Sucralose, Caffeine, Potassium Acesulfame, Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, Poloxamer 407, Menthol, Sodium Citrate, Sodium Benzoate.

    beconfiDent Dual Foam Toothpaste (Whitening):
    Water (Aqua), Alcohol, Sodium Perborate, Flavor (Aroma), Sodium Saccharin, Sucralose, Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, Poloxamer 407, Edta, Sodium Citrate, Potassium Hydroxide."

    So if this was your product it was nothing more than glycerine and baking soda! Or sodium perborate.
  • brook2jack wrote: »
    Dr Giniger has indeed started a company in the UK but not white smile as posted . He has started beconfident. It does sell tooth whitening products that contain glycerine and baking soda, or sodium perborate.

    Quote from website

    "he ingredients?
    beconfiDent Whitening Gel
    Organic Vegetable Glycerin (Kosher, USP), Organic Natural Baking Soda (Kosher, USP), Potassium Nitrate, Organic Kosher Gluten-Free Flavour Extracts, Natural Xylitol, Carbomer 940, Sorbitol, Trolamine, Aloe Leaf Juice, Pomegranate Seed Extract, Chamomile Flower Extract, Sodium Fluoride

    beconfiDent Dual Foam Toothpaste (Cleaning):
    Water (Aqua), Alcohol, Glycerin, Poloxamer 188, Polysorbate 20, Flavour (Aroma), Sodium Saccharin, Sucralose, Caffeine, Potassium Acesulfame, Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, Poloxamer 407, Menthol, Sodium Citrate, Sodium Benzoate.

    beconfiDent Dual Foam Toothpaste (Whitening):
    Water (Aqua), Alcohol, Sodium Perborate, Flavor (Aroma), Sodium Saccharin, Sucralose, Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, Poloxamer 407, Edta, Sodium Citrate, Potassium Hydroxide."

    So if this was your product it was nothing more than glycerine and baking soda! Or sodium perborate.

    No, these are not the ingrediients in the product I used. Thanks for the info:)
  • Toothsmith
    Toothsmith Posts: 10,104 Forumite
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    edited 26 March 2013 at 11:39AM
    So would you please post those ingredients?

    You seem to know what it isn't, but not what it is!

    Surely someone as concerned for safety as you wouldn't put something unknown on your teeth?
    How to find a dentist.
    1. Get recommendations from friends/family/neighbours/etc.
    2. Once you have a short-list, VISIT the practices - dont just phone. Go on the pretext of getting a Practice Leaflet.
    3. Assess the helpfulness of the staff and the level of the facilities.
    4. Only book initial appointment when you find a place you are happy with.
  • AppleChai
    AppleChai Posts: 24 Forumite
    This has probably already been covered but it's a mammoth thread so please bear with me. I have been told that nothing will make my teeth white because they aren't stained, it's just my natural colour. They have always been off-white, same as my brother's, and our childhood dentist said it was genetic. I have always wanted to have them whitened and I'm a bit sad to think it can't happen :(

    Does anyone know if this is true?
  • brook2jack
    brook2jack Posts: 4,563 Forumite
    You need to ask a dentist who can actually see you , your teeth and gums. Most people's teeth can be lightened, certain colours like those caused by tetracycline staining can be difficult to lighten but almost anyone's teeth will lighten , it's just difficult to predict by how much.

    But your teeth and gums must be healthy so get your teeth checked and ask about whitening then.
  • AppleChai
    AppleChai Posts: 24 Forumite
    I actually went to the dentist on Monday, it was googling about her advice that got me here. :) My teeth and gums are very healthy, I have never needed any dental treatment. The thing is I have had mixed answers from dentists, of the four I've seen one said whitening wouldn't work, one said it was possible but it would likely damage my tooth enamel, and two offered me expensive cosmetic whitening which they couldn't guarantee would work.

    One of the problems is I just don't know when to trust dentists now that I'm a fee paying adult. The one I saw on Monday was very nice and seemed to know what she was talking about, but I'm a little dubious about her diagnosis. I told her I had been waking up in the night with a pain all around one side of my jaw, so she examined my teeth and did an x-ray and told me they were all healthy - no cavities, no gum disease, nothing at all to indicate where the pain was coming from. Her diagnosis was that I'm clenching my teeth in my sleep, and the treatment would be a mouth guard that comes under the £209 band three NHS. I told her I couldn't afford that and she offered it privately for £150. I still can't afford that so she then told me my molars are showing signs of wear from clenching (strangely, she never mentioned that when telling me my teeth were all fine) and the problem would only get worse. When it was clear I wasn't going to be persuaded to pay she said the problem might go away by itself and to come back in a year.

    What am I supposed to believe?!
  • brook2jack
    brook2jack Posts: 4,563 Forumite
    For some people bruxing (clenching jaws particularly at night ) can be episodic and comes and goes , particularly at times of stress.

    For others it can be very destructive destroying teeth rapidly.

    The difficulty is telling which is which if you have only seen a patient once or only a few times.Really only time will tell if it's an ongoing situation.

    So you can either fit a gum guard straight away to protect the teeth and relieve jaw pain, or warn the patient about clenching, telling them to avoid chewing gum etc review in some months and make the gum shield then if they still have symptoms.

    As to the whitening, different dentists have different opinions , all of which may be equally valid. Tooth whitening can never be guaranteed to get a particular result and some peoples teeth and gum health is just not suitable for whitening.

    Your biggest problem is the swapping and changing of dentists. Find one you like and trust and stick with them , its the best way for them to understand your oral health and for you to get consitene care.
  • londondent
    londondent Posts: 66 Forumite
    Another thing to add, is that people who do grind/clench their teeth, do not get great whitening results. I can't remember what the exact science is behind this ( think it may be due to cracks and thin enamel), but I'm sure someone much smarter than me ( tooth smith/brook2jack/welsh dent) can clarify.
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