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Advice on Teeth Whitening Discussion Thread
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Toothsmith wrote: »Please provide the NAME of this mythical tooth whitening ingredient the illegals use so that the general public can at least look for evidence of it's usefulness/side effects, and whilst you're at it, show evidence of its complete safety!
You cannot go about demanding scientific evidence for one thing whilst completely refusing to even name the alternative you are claiming to be 'better' or 'safer'. :rotfl:
Put up, or shut up!
Please contact the scientific officer on this one. Well known throughout the world and the dental community.
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Teethwhiteninguk wrote: »Please contact the scientific officer on this one. Well known throughout the world and the dental community.
No - you name it.
I do not know what you are referring to. I do not know which 'scientific officer' you mean, and the only conclusion I can draw from your post is that either you have no idea what chemical you are talking about, or naming it would show it up for the unsafe substance it is.How to find a dentist.
1. Get recommendations from friends/family/neighbours/etc.
2. Once you have a short-list, VISIT the practices - dont just phone. Go on the pretext of getting a Practice Leaflet.
3. Assess the helpfulness of the staff and the level of the facilities.
4. Only book initial appointment when you find a place you are happy with.0 -
Toothsmith wrote: »No - you name it.
I do not know what you are referring to. I do not know which 'scientific officer' you mean, and the only conclusion I can draw from your post is that either you have no idea what chemical you are talking about, or naming it would show it up for the unsafe substance it is.
Contact Martin Giniger:
Dr. Martin S. Giniger, D.M.D., Ph.D., Msd, Ficd has been Chief Science Officer of White Smile Global, Inc., since October 13, 2011 and served as its Director of Oral Health Research since October 2011. Dr. Giniger has dedicated his professional and scientific career to oral care product development and clinical testing of toothpaste, mouthwash, toothbrushes, vital tooth bleaching preparations and other oral care and personal care products. He served the Colgate-Palmolive Company, as Director of Professional and Academic Marketing and later as Head of Clinical Research. He has also worked full-time for Dexcel Pharma (Vice President of Clinical research) and Smile Paradigm Inc (Founder and Chief Executive Officer-mostly working on Discus Dental projects (Zoom!(TM)). He has also consulted on a part-time basis for just about every major oral care company on earth including: Colgate-Palmolive, Procter & Gamble, Church & Dwight, BriteSmile, Discus Dental and many others. Over the years Dr. Giniger has helped to develop many new oral care and dental products for commercial sale and they have sold more than $10 billion dollars in aggregate for the companies he developed them for. Furthermore, Dr. Giniger has 18 years of experience working for oral care companies and 25 years working as a dentist. Dr. Giniger is the world's most knowledgeable expert on the subject of OTC dental products formulation and knows the insider secrets that no one else in the world could know. He has a special interest in "liquid" and "effervescent foaming" oral care products and has published several manuscripts relating to this topic. He has worked full time for many consumer marketing, oral care and dental products companies. He has been a Director of White Smile Global, Inc., since October 13, 2011. His academic positions have included Assistant Professor of Physiology at the Louisiana State University School of Medicine, Assistant Professor of Oral Medicine at the Louisiana State University School of Dental Medicine, Director of the Medical Blood Chemistry Laboratory at Louisiana State University School of Dental Medicine, Clinical Scholar at the University of Connecticut, Director of the Division of Diagnostic Sciences at the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey and Director of the Department of Community Services at UMDNJ (New Jersey Dental School). Dr. Giniger's education and training includes specialty certificate in Oral Medicine and Oral Pathology and a Ph.D. in Biochemistry (during which he discovered a new way in which melanoma cell spread using the basement membrane glycoprotein, Laminin, as a signaling molecule) from the University of Connecticut., where he was recipient of an NIH Physician-Scientist Award and other scientific grants and was also the recipient of the Loeser Award from the Academy of Oral Medicine for excellence in that sub-specialty of dentistry. Furthermore, Dr. Giniger received his DMD degree from Fairleigh Dickinson College of Dental Medicine and was given the Basic Sciences Award at graduation.0 -
Actually I suspect the magic substance is nothing more than a common household ingredient that has no whitening properties at all but is commonly used in toothpastes as an abrasive.
Unfortunately some unscrupulous traders have sold whitening solutions claiming they contain this but investigation has revealed its actually our old friend carbamine peroxide (hydrogen peroxide) and therefore highly illegal.0 -
brook2jack wrote: »Actually I suspect the magic substance is nothing more than a common household ingredient that has no whitening properties at all but is commonly used in toothpastes as an abrasive.
Unfortunately some unscrupulous traders have sold whitening solutions claiming they contain this but investigation has revealed its actually our old friend carbamine peroxide (hydrogen peroxide) and therefore highly illegal.
Please provide the evidence for the products being sold as non-peroxide by Dr Giniger as this is quite worrying and quite a slur on his reputation.
As someone who has used peroxide, the non peroxide product was more comfortable and had no peroxide taste.0 -
All very impressive. But a CV of some random person is not the same as telling us what the active ingredient is!
But wouldn't it have just been simpler to name the active ingredient?
If it's baking soda, just say so!
We all know that doesn't really whiten teeth!
And, BTW, your mask of 'informed consumer' is really slipping now, and the 'industry stooge' is clear to see!
How to find a dentist.
1. Get recommendations from friends/family/neighbours/etc.
2. Once you have a short-list, VISIT the practices - dont just phone. Go on the pretext of getting a Practice Leaflet.
3. Assess the helpfulness of the staff and the level of the facilities.
4. Only book initial appointment when you find a place you are happy with.0 -
Teethwhiteninguk wrote: »Please provide the evidence for the products being sold as non-peroxide by Dr Giniger as this is quite worrying and quite a slur on his reputation.
As someone who has used peroxide, the non peroxide product was more comfortable and had no peroxide taste.
Stop it again with this 'please provide the evidence' tosh!
If you are promoting a company that wont even name its ingredients then you do not have the right to even enter into any sort of adult discussion on safety and efficacy.
The reason that Dr Ginger's company has no mention of any active ingredient on its website is because
A. It's ineffective
B. It's dangerous
C. It's illegal
Now, if you would kindly tell us what it actually is, we can see which one, or, indeed how many of those options it is under!How to find a dentist.
1. Get recommendations from friends/family/neighbours/etc.
2. Once you have a short-list, VISIT the practices - dont just phone. Go on the pretext of getting a Practice Leaflet.
3. Assess the helpfulness of the staff and the level of the facilities.
4. Only book initial appointment when you find a place you are happy with.0 -
Teethwhiteninguk wrote: »Please provide the evidence for the products being sold as non-peroxide by Dr Giniger as this is quite worrying and quite a slur on his reputation.
As someone who has used peroxide, the non peroxide product was more comfortable and had no peroxide taste.
According to the accounts posted by his company to date no products have ever been manufactured, let alone sold by Dr Ginigers company.
The fascinating thing is the post by teeth whitening UK is from a press release about white smile global posted in 2011 .
The reason the poster cannot list any ingredients is because to date white smile global has not manufactured a single item . In fact there is a suspicion that it is a shell company and it is about to be reported to the sec as it has posted losses for every quarter.
It is therefore somewhat impossible that the poster has ever tried one of their products as they have never been manufactured.
However you can buy wholesale from Chinese manufacturers white smile branded whitening gels which contain a variety of ingredients including peroxide and sodium perborate but have no EU safety certificates.0 -
brook2jack wrote: »According to the accounts posted by his company to date no products have ever been manufactured, let alone sold by Dr Ginigers company.
The fascinating thing is the post by teeth whitening UK is from a press release about white smile global posted in 2011 .
The reason the poster cannot list any ingredients is because to date white smile global has not manufactured a single item . In fact there is a suspicion that it is a shell company and it is about to be reported to the sec as it has posted losses for every quarter.
It is therefore somewhat impossible that the poster has ever tried one of their products as they have never been manufactured.
However you can buy wholesale from Chinese manufacturers white smile branded whitening gels which contain a variety of ingredients including peroxide and sodium perborate but have no EU safety certificates.
Please provide the facts. Is Dr Giniger a fraud?0 -
Toothsmith wrote: »Stop it again with this 'please provide the evidence' tosh!
If you are promoting a company that wont even name its ingredients then you do not have the right to even enter into any sort of adult discussion on safety and efficacy.
The reason that Dr Ginger's company has no mention of any active ingredient on its website is because
A. It's ineffective
B. It's dangerous
C. It's illegal
Now, if you would kindly tell us what it actually is, we can see which one, or, indeed how many of those options it is under!
Is Dr. Giniger a fraud? Please advise?0
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