Advice on Teeth Whitening Discussion Thread

welshdent

Teethwhiteninguk wrote: »

Please provide the evidence for the products being sold as non-peroxide by Dr Giniger as this is quite worrying and quite a slur on his reputation.

As someone who has used peroxide, the non peroxide product was more comfortable and had no peroxide taste.

What reputation? I have absolutely no idea WHO you are talking about. His qualifications appear to be american so that being the case, what is the relevance to the UK? Who is sluring by the way?

I have actually attended courses in the USA. I have been to some of the biggest dental conferences in the USA and never seen his name crop up. He would certainly have to raise his links to major companies for full disclosure ... an issue that american dentists get quite hot under the collar over. I have seen no less than 5 dentists in 5 different lectures openly ask ... in the interests of full disclosure which companies do you represent where none was noted.
You do seem to be plucking some random arguments, information and comments out of the bag. None of which are relevant to the points anyone is making

Teethwhiteninguk

welshdent wrote: »

What reputation? I have absolutely no idea WHO you are talking about. His qualifications appear to be american so that being the case, what is the relevance to the UK? Who is sluring by the way?

I have actually attended courses in the USA. I have been to some of the biggest dental conferences in the USA and never seen his name crop up. He would certainly have to raise his links to major companies for full disclosure ... an issue that american dentists get quite hot under the collar over. I have seen no less than 5 dentists in 5 different lectures openly ask ... in the interests of full disclosure which companies do you represent where none was noted.
You do seem to be plucking some random arguments, information and comments out of the bag. None of which are relevant to the points anyone is making

Is Dr Giniger a fraud?????

welshdent

Teethwhiteninguk wrote: »

I s this Dr Giniger a fraud?????

God knows I have never heard of him!

Teethwhiteninguk

welshdent wrote: »

God knows I have never heard of him!

How can you condemn him then? You have seen his credentials!

Teethwhiteninguk

Dr. Martin S. Giniger, D.M.D., Ph.D., Msd, Ficd has been Chief Science Officer of White Smile Global, Inc., since October 13, 2011 and served as its Director of Oral Health Research since October 2011. Dr. Giniger has dedicated his professional and scientific career to oral care product development and clinical testing of toothpaste, mouthwash, toothbrushes, vital tooth bleaching preparations and other oral care and personal care products. He served the Colgate-Palmolive Company, as Director of Professional and Academic Marketing and later as Head of Clinical Research. He has also worked full-time for Dexcel Pharma (Vice President of Clinical research) and Smile Paradigm Inc (Founder and Chief Executive Officer-mostly working on Discus Dental projects (Zoom!(TM)). He has also consulted on a part-time basis for just about every major oral care company on earth including: Colgate-Palmolive, Procter & Gamble, Church & Dwight, BriteSmile, Discus Dental and many others. Over the years Dr. Giniger has helped to develop many new oral care and dental products for commercial sale and they have sold more than $10 billion dollars in aggregate for the companies he developed them for. Furthermore, Dr. Giniger has 18 years of experience working for oral care companies and 25 years working as a dentist. Dr. Giniger is the world's most knowledgeable expert on the subject of OTC dental products formulation and knows the insider secrets that no one else in the world could know. He has a special interest in "liquid" and "effervescent foaming" oral care products and has published several manuscripts relating to this topic. He has worked full time for many consumer marketing, oral care and dental products companies. He has been a Director of White Smile Global, Inc., since October 13, 2011. His academic positions have included Assistant Professor of Physiology at the Louisiana State University School of Medicine, Assistant Professor of Oral Medicine at the Louisiana State University School of Dental Medicine, Director of the Medical Blood Chemistry Laboratory at Louisiana State University School of Dental Medicine, Clinical Scholar at the University of Connecticut, Director of the Division of Diagnostic Sciences at the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey and Director of the Department of Community Services at UMDNJ (New Jersey Dental School). Dr. Giniger's education and training includes specialty certificate in Oral Medicine and Oral Pathology and a Ph.D. in Biochemistry (during which he discovered a new way in which melanoma cell spread using the basement membrane glycoprotein, Laminin, as a signaling molecule) from the University of Connecticut., where he was recipient of an NIH Physician-Scientist Award and other scientific grants and was also the recipient of the Loeser Award from the Academy of Oral Medicine for excellence in that sub-specialty of dentistry. Furthermore, Dr. Giniger received his DMD degree from Fairleigh Dickinson College of Dental Medicine and was given the Basic Sciences Award at graduation.

welshdent

Teethwhiteninguk wrote: »

How can you condemn him then? You have seen his credentials!

I think you are accidentally swallowing your whitening products and its doing something to you. Where did I condemn anyone?

Teethwhiteninguk

welshdent wrote: »

I think you are accidentally swallowing your whitening products and its doing something to you. Where did I condemn anyone?

I have never swallowed any TW products, please explain?

welshdent

incidentally I have seen a list of "credentials" that you have pasted from a website somewhere. I am assuming it is a website for a product or a company that they themselves are associated with and linked to.

Now if he is such a leader in his field I am sure he will have his name on any number of published journal articles? Specifically relating to tooth whitening? pubmed and medline are good places to start

Teethwhiteninguk

Is there anyone sane on this site?

Teethwhiteninguk

welshdent wrote: »

incidentally I have seen a list of "credentials" that you have pasted from a website somewhere. I am assuming it is a website for a product or a company that they themselves are associated with and linked to.

Now if he is such a leader in his field I am sure he will have his name on any number of published journal articles? Specifically relating to tooth whitening? pubmed and medline are good places to start

Please explain in Englsh please?