The depressively optimistic moneysaving thread

beachbeth

absolutebounder wrote: »

So he may have had aphonogelia. is that genetic. taking after someone is not always genetic. It may be for features but not behaviour.

No he didn't have aphonogelia. There you go diagnosing again.

absolutebounder wrote:

no doubt the therapist asked you about things which you didnt want to talk about

Wrong again. I wanted to talk about everything including upsetting things. I wanted to get them off my chest and get someone elses opinion about these things. I didn't avoid talking about anything at all.

absolutebounder wrote:

How do you know there was an external cause? How would knowing the cause affect it today.

I don't know there was an external cause. I enter discussions to do with this to try and figure out if there is or not. You are simply interested in pushing your point of view as the only correct one - Im not. Knowing the cause can lead to knowing how to treat it.

absolutebounder wrote:

Because you are not born depressed

Another statement from absolutebounder's book of facts. Medical experts who study depression don't know this. I don't see how you can know this. This is simply your point of view but you post as though it is proven.

absolutebounder wrote:

The most common age is late teens early 20s and many more women suffer than men. explain that with genetics.

There are lots of conditions that are only passed onto male or female offspring and are also genetic.

For example: (taken from http://kidshealth.org/teen/diseases_conditions/blood/hemophilia.html)

"Hemophilia is a disease that prevents blood from clotting properly, so a person who has it bleeds more than someone without hemophilia does. It's a genetic disorder, which means it's the result of a change in genes that was either inherited (passed on from parent to child) or occurred during development in the womb."

"Hemophilia affects mostly boys, although it's very rare: Only about 1 in every 5,000 boys is born with it. The disease can affect people of any race or nationality."

absolutebounder wrote:

Firstly DT is a different place from here i am sympathetic to those who have had depression

So in DT you have your scornful and "lets joke about people with unfortunate conditions" hat on and in the Health board you have your "sympathetic" hat on. Sounds a bit two-faced to me.

absolutebounder

beachbeth wrote: »

No he didn't have aphonogelia. There you go diagnosing again.

I used the word May. that is not a diagnosis but it doesnt detract from the point lack of humour is not necessarily genetic.



Wrong again. I wanted to talk about everything including upsetting things. I wanted to get them off my chest and get someone elses opinion about these things. I didn't avoid talking about anything at all.

So it was the therapists fault. But hang on you only speak to medically trained professionals they couldnt be useless.
Why did you say on another post that you must try it again sometime?



I don't know there was an external cause. I enter discussions to do with this to try and figure out if there is or not. You are simply interested in pushing your point of view as the only correct one - Im not. Knowing the cause can lead to knowing how to treat it.

How exactly does knowing the cause alter the treatment?
A good hypnotist would probably find any true cause in a few minutes


Another statement from absolutebounder's book of facts. Medical experts who study depression don't know this. I don't see how you can know this. This is simply your point of view but you post as though it is proven.

Oh come on. how would a baby know it is depressed? think about it depression is relative you need something to compare against to say that you deviate from the norm.



There are lots of conditions that are only passed onto male or female offspring and are also genetic.

For example: (taken from http://kidshealth.org/teen/diseases_conditions/blood/hemophilia.html)

"Hemophilia is a disease that prevents blood from clotting properly, so a person who has it bleeds more than someone without hemophilia does. It's a genetic disorder, which means it's the result of a change in genes that was either inherited (passed on from parent to child) or occurred during development in the womb."

"Hemophilia affects mostly boys, although it's very rare: Only about 1 in every 5,000 boys is born with it. The disease can affect people of any race or nationality."

And how many people with the haemophillia gene are not affected. this is the problem with linking depression to genes. many people have the genes they are looking at but dont become depressed. this is why any links to genes have so far not been conclusive.



So in DT you have your scornful and "lets joke about people with unfortunate conditions" hat on and in the Health board you have your "sympathetic" hat on. Sounds a bit two-faced to me.

Think of it as my happy face.:rotfl: Do you honestly think your GP CPN psychiatrist is full of sympathy and empathy? perhaps you should google "instant rapport skills" and see if your doc is using any of them:D If one became too involved with all our clients issues we would all be in the loony bin. yes we feel sorry for a lot of people but we have to be able to distance ourselves as well. most of my comments on DT are leveled at benefits and the culture it breeds which also runs in families DSS gene anyone?

Former_MSE_Archna

Hi all,

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shazrobo

Quote:
Originally Posted by absolutebounder
So he may have had aphonogelia. is that genetic. taking after someone is not always genetic. It may be for features but not behaviour


some behaviour traits are genetic, for example ADHD runs in families, and therefore is genetic. there is no cure for ADHD, just medication to control it.

babelfish

absolutebounder wrote:

So he may have had aphonogelia. is that genetic. taking after someone is not always genetic. It may be for features but not behaviour.

Thats the most ridiculous thing Ive heard! Of course behaviour is inherited! I stated in an earlier post how most children brought up in toxic households don't grow up to murder people. Children brought up in these households who also have the genetic disposition to kill, however, will.

willa

absolutebounder wrote: »

So why didnt the one with no humour have any. was it a different father?

So lets ay Im wrong and you are right. If you have the gen you are screwed. you cant cure depression according to you so why do we bother you are screwed. why dont you tell clipboard her post is rubbish and inconclusive?

Or of course you could be more sensible like Rubytuesday and realise you can do something about it yourself.

Oh dear. You still insist on invalidating and minimising depression - insisting that they are purely in the mind and we all need to pull ourselves together and stop 'acting stupidly' to use your expression. You ignore the fact when it is brought up) that you wouldn't dare to assert you can cure something like diabetes - just so you can keep minimising an illness - depression - which can have a purely physical origin. You say that people who have long-term and recurrent problems with depression experience this only because they are 'negative' and have 'no motivation' to get better. Outrageous and wrong, so wrong!
AB, if you are so highly accomplished and highly paid, then surely you can take a bit of care over your spelling and grammar?
Typical chancer with not much skill but a God complex a big ego (apparently) landing themselves a highly paid job (while scorning those who live on relative peanuts).
I'm quite good at sussing people out psychologically and I think that probably describes you to a T.

willa

absolutebounder wrote: »

Think of it as my happy face.:rotfl: Do you honestly think your GP CPN psychiatrist is full of sympathy and empathy? perhaps you should google "instant rapport skills" and see if your doc is using any of them:D If one became too involved with all our clients issues we would all be in the loony bin. yes we feel sorry for a lot of people but we have to be able to distance ourselves as well. most of my comments on DT are leveled at benefits and the culture it breeds which also runs in families DSS gene anyone?

Most people who become mental health workers are fit for the loony bin to start with, that's why they're attracted to the work (myself included).
It would be very interesting to know your own reasons for being a 'therapist' AB. A very interesting psychological study.

willa

babelfish wrote: »

Thats the most ridiculous thing Ive heard! Of course behaviour is inherited! I stated in an earlier post how most children brought up in toxic households don't grow up to murder people. Children brought up in these households who also have the genetic disposition to kill, however, will.

Yes Babel, apparently low serotonin and high testosterone are a combination that contribute to men becoming serial killers.

rubytuesday

willa wrote: »

Most people who become mental health workers are fit for the loony bin to start with, that's why they're attracted to the work (myself included).

:rotfl:I was a Mental Health Act Manager for seven years. It was because of my personal experience . Maybe we could start a new discussion on the link between Bipolar and genius Ha ha only joking but the Independant did have an interesting article on it last week. Oh !!!! I've given away the fact that I am an Independant reader!!:rotfl:

willa

rubytuesday wrote: »

:rotfl:I was a Mental Health Act Manager for seven years. It was because of my personal experience . Maybe we could start a new discussion on the link between Bipolar and genius Ha ha only joking but the Independant did have an interesting article on it last week. Oh !!!! I've given away the fact that I am an Independant reader!!:rotfl:

A well documented connection :T. I read the Mirror, the Mail and the NOTW and people can make of that what they will!