The depressively optimistic moneysaving thread

vik6525

willa wrote: »

There are different types of depression.
Clinical, endogenous depression, that naturally comes from within with no external trigger, requires drugs to 'cure' it. Possibly lifelong drugs.

Why are you telling me this?
I know this.

All I stated was that many people DO completely recover from depression. Im genuinely failing to see whats so contentious, to you (or in fact anyone) about that statement.

beachbeth

absolutebounder wrote: »

Pipkin are you reading:D

Yes, Pipkin, I think AB is floundering, especially now he can't log on as Space Donkey in order to agree with himself and post nasty jokes at the expense of people who are vulnerable.

beachbeth

I said there was no cure, which isn't incorrect. Or perhaps these two recognised websites have just got it all wrong?

http://www.dbsalliance.org/site/PageServer?pagename=FAQ

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Depression/Pages/Treatment.aspx

You can manage it though and learn how to deal with it so that it doesn't reoccur. Some people would perhaps consider that they are cured because they have done this and their depression hasn't yet returned. It may return and it may not but it doesn't mean you are "cured". You perhaps see the meaning of a "cure" in a different way to me and willa, vik6525, so theres no point arguing about it really.

vik6525

beachbeth wrote: »

I said there was no cure, which isn't incorrect. Or perhaps these two recognised websites have just got it all wrong?

http://www.dbsalliance.org/site/PageServer?pagename=FAQ

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Depression/Pages/Treatment.aspx

You can manage it though and learn how to deal with it so that it doesn't reoccur. Some people would perhaps consider that they are cured because they have done this and their depression hasn't yet returned. It may return and it may not but it doesn't mean you are "cured". You perhaps see the meaning of a "cure" in a different way to me and willa, vik6525, so theres no point arguing about it really.

Um, hun. Your first link states that HALF of the people with depression will then go on to have another depressive incident within 10 years yeah?

Which means half will not.

Depression isnt this 'all encompassing' illness from which there is no return.

beachbeth

vik6525 wrote: »

Depression isnt this 'all encompassing' illness from which there is no return.

I didn't say it was. I just said there wasn't a "cure". You have to learn to manage it and how you do this can be different for everyone. Some people will manage to do this forever and never suffer with depression ever again and some people will find it returns. Just because some people don't have a return of depression doesn't mean they are cured.

As it says on the dbsalliance:
"Q: Is there a cure?
A: No, there's not yet a cure for depression or bipolar disorder. But research is underway to determine the exact cause of these illnesses, to develop better treatments and eventually a cure."

vik6525

beachbeth wrote: »

I didn't say it was. I just said there wasn't a "cure". You have to learn to manage it and how you do this can be different for everyone. Some people will manage to do this forever and never suffer with depression ever again and some people will find it returns. Just because some people don't have a return of depression doesn't mean they are cured.

As it says on the dbsalliance:
"Q: Is there a cure?
A: No, there's not yet a cure for depression or bipolar disorder. But research is underway to determine the exact cause of these illnesses, to develop better treatments and eventually a cure."

Ok then....
You said on the other thread, that you're having tests and if they prove positive, whatever it is that is wrong, can cause depression. If you get treated for that, would you then consider yourself cured?

beachbeth

vik6525 wrote: »

Ok then....
You said on the other thread, that you're having tests and if they prove positive, whatever it is that is wrong, can cause depression. If you get treated for that, would you then consider yourself cured?

I honestly can't say until it happens. It may be just a coincidence that I have depression and this other condition. If my depression goes after treating the other condition then it will mean I didn't have depression in the way that other people do anyway. It will mean that it was simply a symptom of something else. Therefore, for people with depression that they can't attribute to something else, there is no cure.

pipkin71

absolutebounder wrote: »

I didnt say it could be applied in all cases. However I have found plenty of people who could make it worse but none initialy who could make it better until the lightbulb went off. If you could make it worse that means you have control over it. its a common trick for pain relief. Pipkin are you reading:D

I've just read

pipkin71

vik6525 wrote: »

Why are you telling me this?
I know this.

All I stated was that many people DO completely recover from depression. Im genuinely failing to see whats so contentious, to you (or in fact anyone) about that statement.

Totally agree that people can recover from depression, Vik.

They may well have another episode 10 years later, but for the 10 years inbetween, they have recovered

willa

pipkin71 wrote: »

Totally agree that people can recover from depression, Vik.

They may well have another episode 10 years later, but for the 10 years inbetween, they have recovered

Nobody's saying people can't recover from depression! *smacks forehead*