Graham White Soliciters Over Apcoa Parking Fines

trisontana

Please stop communicating with these clowns. As you have seen they disregard all your arguments, and they appear to have scant knowledge of the "law" regarding private parking matters. This is well illustrated by that last letter you received when "Jo Coverley" repeatedly talked about "fines". The best course of action is to ignore them.

backfoot

Ultimately it has to be your judgment taking into account your overall feelings. You obviously have more important priorities.

The general advice given throughout is to completely ignore the unfolding process as it goes nowhere.I can't help thinking that your stress is only deepened because you are not being listened to,whatever you say and however reasonable you are. That's how they operate to wear you down.Their last letter was particularly puke inducing.

Appeals don't work because there is no independance in the process.I personally wouldn't bother writing any more.

You didn't respond to the question about the actual parking?

Anyway Good Luck.:)

Hettie1

Thanks everyone! :T

I know it all makes sense....

regarding the parking incident, my back wheel was on the line and my front wheel in the next bay. I was parked adjacent to an old brick building which is why i was not parked in the box.

In all my correspondence to APCOA and last week to FGW I wrote...

"I would like to point out that during the two hours and nine minutes that my car was parked at Moreton in Marsh station a substantial number of free parking spaces were available."

I addressed each point made by Jo Coverley in my response last night and also wrote...

"My understanding is that the original sum requested from me by APCOA is not a fine, have I actually broken a law and on what grounds is this sum considered a fine? This is why I desputed the sum requested and asked APCOA to justify this sum.

However I do wonder if APCOA are within their rights to make a charge of £50 for parking over 2 spaces and here is where I feel I have not been fairly treated. If they are within their rights then I asked them in writing to clarify to me what rights they were exercising when they issued the parking enforcement notice and also asked them to justify the sum of £50 as I considered this to be disproportionate to the cost of my car obstructing an adjacent parking space. "

Onward and Upward...forgive the wobble!

trisontana

And please promise you won't write to or telephone these clowns again.

taffy056

They have no rights to demand payment from, now please note what I write below carefully:

Bays in private car parks are ADVISORY only, they have no actual meaning and are just pretty lines and square boxes, that mean nothing !

Now they cannot demand money from you because there is no loss to them, the only ones who can claim a loss are the land owners, now if its a free car park there is no loss .

Just ignore them, there is no stress in that, and for goodnes sake don't contact them as you are only prolonging them contacting you, actually the demands to you is harrassment and highly illegal, debt collectors have no powers to demand money and can only request it, can I ask would you pay money to a nigerian 419 scammer ? You know the ones who say give us a grand and we will put £20m in your bank, thought not ! These parking scammers are doing the same!

roxgra

The Roxburghe and Graham White Scam

IF YOU EVER RECEIVE A LETTER FROM THESE PEOPLE YOU MUST READ THIS.

Who are they?

They are one in the same. Roxburghe debt collectors and Graham White solicitors operate out the same building, but like to fool you they are separate. Graham White solicitors are a one man band solicitors company run by Michael Sobell (a corrupt council worker at Hackney county council). He uses the name Graham White so that when you search for it, it brings up the real Graham White solicitors company and fools you into believing you are dealing with a real firm of solicitors. They employee monkeys that send you the letters and ring you. However, the monkey in Roxburghe debt collectors is sitting on the next desk to the one that sends you the letters from Graham White Solicitors.

When does a debt go to these fools?

It goes to these fools when the debt is unenforceable (over 6 years old), when paperwork has been lost, or when it legally is questionable. If you are going to be taken to court for something, it would have happened by now by the people you originally owed the debt to. If these scammer are now contacting you, it will never go to court and you have nothing to worry about.

Should I argue or question the debt?

No! They do not care whether you owe the money or not. Someone has sold them a debt without any evidence or paperwork. They have no way of checking or validating any claims or arguments you make and will therefore ignore them.

Why does it go to these fools?

Because they are a last resort. They know they would never will in court and therefore rely pure of on scare and intimidation tactics.

How do they operate?

Stage 1: They send you a string of letters to scare you. They will never tell you why you owe the money and for what. The reason for this is that they do not want you know the massive amount of charges they have added. Charges that would never be accepted if it went to court. They will pretend they have powers they do not, such as making you bankrupt, having the right to send debt collectors to take your goods (which requires a warrant of execution) or even lie and pretend that it has gone to court already and that you have lost the case.

Stage 2: They will start calling you. All the usual tactics will apply.

Why would they never win in court?

1. Because they use scare and intimidation tactics – which would cause the judge to throw the case straight out.
2. A court would never accept the massive fees and charges they add
3. The debts they chase often do not exist or are unenforceable, eg the paperwork is lost and are over 6 years old

How do you deal with them?

You don’t! Point blank, point simple. You store and ignore their letters and hang up the phone. You never discuss anything with them where they trick you and draw you into traps.

What will they never do?

They will never go to court. They will never send debt collectors to your house. They cannot make you bankrupt or any other of the threats they make.

Why is it pointless paying?

Because the companies that use them will have already damaged your credit rating. It’s too late. They also have no way of making you pay.

sassy_one

Avoid.

Graham White is currently under investigation which is still on-going.

Ignore the letters, the invoice in not enforceable by any means whatsoever!

Driver8

Because the companies that use them will have already damaged your credit rating. It’s too late. They also have no way of making you pay.[/QUOTE]

Are you sure about that? The credit rating bit i mean. Damaged your credit rating, a PPC , i think not.

adc82140

Another month goes by and no further contact from GW :j I did yesterday however have to cross to the dark side and use an APCOA car park (Slough West FGW). Took a look at the terms & conditions tosh printed at the entrance. A sticker has been placed on the sign that says "parking notice" over the part of the text that used to read "enforcement notice". Exactly what legal definition does a "parking notice" actually have?

I had assumed that after the Twyford debacle, FGW had told APCOA to call off their hounds, but judging from recent posts here GW and Roxburge are still at it.

Seems to work having an ex-directory phone number- they have NEVER called me. Still have the response letter to the "final demand" ready to send if needs be though.

BTW saw a woman looking forlornly over a yellow bagged "ticket" on the train yesterday. Told her about Moneysavingexpert, particularly this thread, and the activities of Roxburghe and GW. She assured me she would not pay them!!

adc82140

Because the companies that use them will have already damaged your credit rating

How so? I've not been to court. I've had no CCJ issued against me. They've written to me as registered keeper of the vehicle. At no time have I said that I was the driver, or have admitted setting foot on their property. If they could dammage my credit rating like that, I could similarly pick a name from the phone book at random and apply for a CCJ against them.