What has replaced the plasma screen

drc

Kinky underwear? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7958866.stm

ILW

torontoboy45 wrote: »

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and me. a honda s2000 if I can manage it.

when I was younger I always wanted a sports but couldn't afford it - now I can I'm too bloody old! (46 going on 24).

if you're going to have an MLC you might as well do it in style.

Cannot afford one of those, but thinking little Mazda MX5 for about £3000, Just worried whether my knees will be up to getting in and out. Pathetic really.

blunt_crayon

lostinrates wrote: »

re the wor ''chav'' I think its horrid, what ever its origin, of which my understanding is much the same as Ninky's. Its even sadder that dislike the word and hate the idea of lexically segregating a group of people in this way, yet I can identify the people labeled as chavs, and understand it. I can't help think that this is a joke of society...the chavs, me having typical middle class dislike for the word chav, and yet in my gut appreciating why it exists. It makes me very sad, and I feel embarrassed to be part of this mockary.

the thing is, chavs don't find the term offensive... they're proud to be chavs and deliberately dress/behave the way they do because they want to be indentified as chavs...or with the area of society that we know as chavs...

blunt_crayon

ILW wrote: »

Cannot afford one of those, but thinking little Mazda MX5 for about £3000, Just worried whether my knees will be up to getting in and out. Pathetic really.

if you want a mazda get an RX-8. much more powerful boy's car! you can get a vgc one for under 5k... and about 20mpg.

ninky_2

blunt_crayon wrote: »

the thing is, chavs don't find the term offensive... they're proud to be chavs and deliberately dress/behave the way they do because they want to be indentified as chavs...or with the area of society that we know as chavs...

i don't think you can say everyone who is called a chav is happy with it. we're not talking about a factual noun assignment (table, chair, dog etc). chav is inherently a value judgement.

lostinrates

blunt_crayon wrote: »

the thing is, chavs don't find the term offensive... they're proud to be chavs and deliberately dress/behave the way they do because they want to be indentified as chavs...or with the area of society that we know as chavs...

Do they? Or do they, like many poeple, identify with the social structure around them, borrowing value and aspiration from around them and not thinking so far beyond that to whether they are classifyable as chavs? I have to say, I don't think about what social strata I would identyfy with when buying clothes etc, but then, is that because I suppose I almost subconcsciously identify with certain shops/ideas of what is appropriate in dress etc?

ninky_2

what do you think of the term yuppie (no longer very fashionable). do any of you consider yourself to be (or have been) a yuppie? and are you happy with the connotations of the term?

lostinrates

a young upwardly mobile professional individual; a well-paid middle-class professional who works in a city and has a luxurious life style
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn


What is upwardly mobile? Financial or 'social/educational'. Financially we will be, at out parents age, better off than my parents, worse of than DHs I expect. Socially, DH is more conventially 'middle class' than I, IMO, but I accept many would feel differently and would describe myself as middle classed, if forced to class myself Thinking about it, I really don't feel upwardly mobile. I think we fall out of the connotation of 'driven' that one associates with yuppie, and possbly the youth: although my know means old DHs chice to follow a professional career rather than the academic/artistic hybrid course he was on, can mid twenties.

I don't identify with the term at all. DH works in the City. I don't think our lifestyle is luxurious: no flash car or exective home (shudder) for example. but neither is it hard: our restricted spending cash is a choice to save for what we really want rather than spend in a more conventioanl manner as evidenced by, for example, DH's work peers, not a necessity of income.

I know now lots of yuppies talk about there organic bakyard chooks and their dreams of rural idyll, but this is a course I've been on since youth. I don't think that many yuppies go to agricultural college over their other options.

I also think the term denotes a higher estimation of profesional acheivement over personal growth/academic acheivement/spiritual acheivement. This is something I most certainly do not identify with.

foreign_correspondent

Chav comes from a traveller word, Chavvy, which just means 'bloke' or 'mate'. I worked with young people in an area with a large traveller poplation about a decade ago, well before the word was in common usage, and first heard it used in this context. Interstingly, blokes and lads were referred to ac 'chavvy' and girls were referred to as 'bewer' - as in 'I saw him walking with his bewer' or 'hello chavvy!'

The later invented acronyms are stupid jokes really.

chewmylegoff

ninky wrote: »

i really liked the doc julie burchill did a few years ago where she said that the word 'chav' was basically invented by the middle class to put down the working class.

that documentary was brilliant. made michael moore look reasonable.

"here i have exhibit A, kate moss, she comes from croydon and is beautiful

here i have exhibit B, fergie, she is 'upper class' and looks like a horse

therefore i conclude that chavs are good and the toffs are the real scum"

absolute genius. and people complain about public sector workers getting paid for "non-jobs".