Turned Down for Jobseekers

NASA_2

Sometimes its just not worth the bother trying to explain things to people. It goes over their head.

colin13

hi just a question hopefully it wont happen:) my daughter is in her final year at uni,she has not worked through out her time at uni as she got by on bursary and student loan

with the way the economy is just now,if after she passes her exams (hopefully) and is nt able to get a job is she entillted to JSA ? she is 19yrs of age
ty

healy

colin13 wrote: »

hi just a question hopefully it wont happen:) my daughter is in her final year at uni,she has not worked through out her time at uni as she got by on bursary and student loan

with the way the economy is just now,if after she passes her exams (hopefully) and is nt able to get a job is she entillted to JSA ? she is 19yrs of age
ty

Yes she will be able to claim income based JSA.

atomicsheep

Garry Anderson you are almost laughable!!

Like you say, it's not rocket science, yet you are trying to split hydrogen from H20 (that's very difficult!!)

Take a big hint that NOBODY here is agreeing with you!

The only person that agrees is the advisor at the JC who is actually only confirming that your daughter was put through for income based Jobseekers which is known as "JSA IB+C" which stands for Jobseekers Allowance Income Based & Contributions based.

I defy you to show me a copy of her letter stating she has been omitted for contribution based part of JSA

LittleMissAspie

bestpud wrote: »

Do people really just turn up and take what they are given, without any effort to research their entitlement first?

I probably would. I would trust that the staff know what they're doing. I haven't got the first clue about any benefits. I have read leaflets before out of interest but they are so complicated. They have different thresholds for things, and lots of benefits seem to depend on other benefits. Then you have to take into account the other people in your household too. And the language they use to try and explain the leaflet is hard to understand. It's pretty much impossible to work it all out yourself.

mdhughes03

Just to add, whilst an adviser might refer to it as "Income based jobseekers alowance" as several other people have already correctly stated, this includes the Contributions based element. There is no such thing as an income-based only claim.

Again, not rocket science and in no way contradicting what the adviser said, merely expanding on it (perhaps if he/she was being "given a going-over" they were a little nervous and didn't make themselves clearer...)

ETA: so sorry the OP's thread has been taken over by the above issue, but I agree that the best course of action is to make sure that HMRC have an accurate record of your contributions as their system is often fed into by payroll systems electronically, so the fault may lie with your employer (not necessarily in a devious way, perhaps a fault with their payroll system).

NASA_2

mdhughes03 wrote: »

Again, not rocket science and n no way contradictingwhat the adviser said, merely expanding on it (perhaps if he/she was being "given a going-over" they were a little nervous and didn't make themselves clearer...)

Very true.

Right around the point of being accused of deviousness I would have thought 'Suit yourself - who needs free dental care and the other fringe benefits - just carry on thinking we are all out to get you':rolleyes:

Garry_Anderson

Some on here give the same condescending talking down to claimants that you get at the Job Centre (Plus).

What is Jobseeker's Allowance?

Jobseeker's Allowance is the main benefit for people who are out of work. If you are eligible it is paid when you don't have a job and are looking for work.

There are 2 types of Jobseeker's Allowance:

* The first is called 'Contribution-based Jobseeker's Allowance'. You may get Contribution-based Jobseeker's Allowance if you have paid or been credited with class 1 National Insurance (NI) contributions in the relevant tax years. Self employed contributions will not generally qualify you for Contribution-based Jobseeker's Allowance.
* The other is based on your income and savings. This is called 'Income-based Jobseeker's Allowance'.

http://www.jobcentreplus.gov.uk/JCP/Customers/WorkingAgeBenefits/Dev_015272.xml.html

Not one of them called "Jobseekers Allowance Income Based & Contributions based" - but two distinct types of JSA - one for income based and another for contribution based.

My daughter took what was said in good faith - she was looking for work and just claiming Job Seekers Allowance as she is back living with us.

BTW: The mistake was trying to put my daughter through as income based - the advisor said that savings details should not have been asked and then deleted them off the system.

Garry_Anderson

BTW: Nobody is out to get me or my daughter - there seems to have been put some targets on cost savings though or somebody has taken it upon themself - so stop with the silly remarks about "paranoid delusions" or making out I am thinking "we are all out to get you".

LizzieS_2

Garry_Anderson wrote: »

Some on here give the same condescending talking down to claimants that you get at the Job Centre (Plus).

BTW: The mistake was trying to put my daughter through as income based - the advisor said that savings details should not have been asked and then deleted them off the system.

The advisor gave your daughter the wrong payments which angers you, yet you are willing to accept the reasoning for the mistake from the same.

There are benefit workers on this thread who have explained the computer system itself, the rest (me included) have explained the logic through knowledge/experience etc.

The savings details have no impact whatsoever if the correct benefit is put into payment (ie contribution based as opposed to income based).

Why you were given the explanation very much depends on the knowledge/experience of the advisor involved. For example, if the NI history was not properly recorded then income based would apply (a novice advisor in this case may delete savings to get the right amount, but would still technically be paying income based benefit instead of contribution based), equally an advisor who realised what they had done wrong may just find a plausible excuse.