Failure and bitterness.

Masomnia

maryb wrote: »

The real reason it ought not to be possible to make a lifestyle choice to be a single mother is because they end up having horrid unhappy lives and so do their children.

What a disgustingly ignorant comment.

mower5

chewmylegoff wrote: »

the australian system is a 9% compulsory deduction from your salary paid into a superannuation account in your name. your employer has to deduct it. you cannot opt out.

Quite right, sorry....I still aprove of the scheme though...

Cleaver

The_White_Horse wrote: »

i'd rather sit around my council flat, drinking my stella, beating the dog, whilst watching my 46" plasma and playing playstation and smoking than clean toilets. and guess what? a load of bleeding heart liberals lets me.

Is 'beating the dog' a metaphor for something else? Like 'holding your sausauge hostage', 'getting to know yourself in a biblical sense' or 'hanging out with Rosie Palmer and her five sisters'?

If you actually did mean violent acts towards a canine then I apologise profusely for the above.

dad-of-4

maryb wrote: »

The real reason it ought not to be possible to make a lifestyle choice to be a single mother is because they end up having horrid unhappy lives and so do their children.

And if society is making it easier to choose that sort of life than to work because of a guilty reaction to the cruelty doled out to unmarried mothers in the past then it is (we are) peddling misery just as much as the drug dealers that blight their estates

my mums only regret as a single parent was going out to work and missing out on so much of mine & my sisters upbringing.

that is a direct quote.

and because of that ill never ask my wife to work so we can all have more bits of shiney stuff.:beer:

mower5

dad-of-4 wrote: »

their in lies the problem with extreme views, their just never thought out so well, My views are main stream

if you dont think work is the meaning of life, then why do you want to force it on everyone? Because if more people work rather than laze around the tax take will rise there-by improving funding for NHS, etc

and where is the gain for you in doing so? No personnel gain for me, but a more just and reasonable country

and i dont mean make pension optional, i mean if labour is to be forced, then why not just force us to work till we die? Don't know what you mean
the gov hand out for pensions is irrelevant as is the hand out for doly's, sick, single mums or anyone else some are so outraged get financial support. Don't know what you mean, how can it be irrelevant that millions are denied the option of working, saving, buying stuff they want


where do extreme views end? was hitler voted into power on a promise to Gas the Jews? and other atrocaties. Don't know what you mean, i believe in democracy

some of the extreme views that are expressed only make me think that if we actualy elected someone with thoes views, that would be the type of person that would stop at nothing, to achieve their agenda. We are very likely to get an old etonian as the next PM, are you talking about him?

and ive yet to live under any governemnt that i actualy felt wasn't self serving. That would be cause humans are involved i guess

so i certainly dont trust an extremeist.

Good for you


My answers in RED

Cleaver

The_White_Horse wrote: »

everything is labours fault, including millions of single mothers - all collecting their free flat and now, a free 190GBP just for getting knocked up.

welcome to labours Britain. Where even the Poles are heading back to Poland because its so depressingly bad and unfair here.

Stop taxing me to give to scum!!

I don't mind paying taxes to help me, and other tax payers ie street lights, defence, rubbish collections, police.

But not 190 free quid to little slappers who get up the duff. Not for 5 bedroon council houses, when I can only afford a house for 2 kids.

No one NO ONE who doesn't work should have more than anyone who does*

unless they are genuinely to disabled to work. that means the bad back brigade and the depressed brigade can get back to work. lazy scum. who cares if you are depressed. I ain't happy, but I work.

At the time of writing this had had 24 thanks. One of the most simplistic, pointless, cliched and spiteful posts I've read for ages.

"Stop taxing me and give [sic] to scum ".

It makes me laugh how so many people on this site think life is oh so black and white. The hollier than thou getting stuck in to the 'scum'. Because you've never made a single mistake in your life, have you? And god forbid the 24 who thanked that post ever find themselves with depression or some other form of mental illness and find themselves looking for support from outside their family. Oh, of course, how silly of me, mental illness is laziness isn't it, and you lot aren't lazy are you?

This will turn in to a mega-rant in a minute, so I'm going to stop and get a chocolate biccy from the kicthen.

treliac

Masomnia wrote: »

What a disgustingly ignorant comment.

Unfair to maryb, IMO. I don't think it was meant like that.

Too many young girls (my own DD went through a short (thank goodness) spell of thinking like it) believe that having a baby is like having a doll to play with 24/7. Others think they are going to produce someone to give them unconditional love.

The stark reality, as we old parenting hands know, is nothing like that and the ones who fall (literally) for it, while they're still kids themselves, learn a long and difficult lesson.

maryb

Masomnia wrote: »

What a disgustingly ignorant comment.

But it is not a recipe for happiness is it?

Just to be clear I am not one of those who thinks children only turn out well if they are brought up by married parents.

lana22

treliac wrote: »

Unfair to maryb, IMO. I don't think it was meant like that.

Too many young girls (my own DD went through a short (thank goodness) spell of thinking like it) believe that having a baby is like having a doll to play with 24/7. Others think they are going to produce someone to give them unconditional love.

The stark reality, as we old parenting hands know, is nothing like that and the ones who fall (literally) for it, while they're still kids themselves, learn a long and difficult lesson.

I think there is a very big difference between single mothers and teenage mothers. Not all single mothers see their children as dolls! (of course neither do all teenage mothers) To suggest that all single parent families have miserable lives was a rather naive comment from maryb. There are many, many people in this world who became pregnant and had a child in a stable relationship which then broke down. Becoming a single parent isn't something that can be forseen in many circumstances.
My best friend at school's parents were divorced when she was 3. Her Mother was the headteacher at our school, and they had a lovely life, her and her two older brothers. Her mother was not this "cham scum" single mother that everyone seems to harp on about. Incidentally her Father was absent from the divorce onwards (he went to Japan or somewhere like that and married a girl half his age - I used to hear my Mum and her Mum gossiping about it!), and her Mother never remarried, and therefore was a single Mum for the rest of her upbringing.

Cleaver

skellysgirl wrote: »

And to all those moking the above quote, just because someone has a differnt opion to you does not make them thick or unintelligent.

I'd normally agree with you, but I think someone who labels people with depression as 'lazy scum' actually is rather unintelligent. Intelligence could be defined as having the capcity to reason and understand and a comment such as this shows none of that.