Cesar Milan Illusion Dog Collar

Person_one

dog_walker wrote: »

I have just purchased two of these collars. As a dog walker I come across many dogs and most of them will not walk nicely on the lead, these collars will make my job a lot easier. They certainly do the job.

I hope you're going to warn the owners you've bought these.

Person_one

slobs wrote: »

I don't really understand the need for all these choke chains/harnesses etc.
It is so so easy to train a dog to walk at heel.

Please come and work your magic on my parents' dog!

They certainly aren't lazy, he went to classes as a pup, he's well trained otherwise but after 5 years of trying he still pulls for the first stretch of every walk.

Dogs are all individuals, they aren't robots and not being 100% perfectly trained doesn't mean the owners are negligent!

I've got one that won't even sit. :rotfl:

Raksha

Person_one wrote: »

Please come and work your magic on my parents' dog!

They certainly aren't lazy, he went to classes as a pup, he's well trained otherwise but after 5 years of trying he still pulls for the first stretch of every walk.

Dogs are all individuals, they aren't robots and not being 100% perfectly trained doesn't mean the owners are negligent!

I've got one that won't even sit. :rotfl:

If your parents are within 10 miles of Milton Keynes, I'd like to take up that challenge. I'm sure there are plenty of other trainers who use reward based methods who would be up for the challenge too.

Buttonmoons

I walk my friends husky a lot and I put a gentle leader on her, as she can't pull me with that on, but not to worry, she can still hoover up leftover food with it on, alls well! Her owner walks her on a halti (thing that her legs go in and round the back) but she still pulls like a crazy with it on, and I quite like having my arm still firmly in its socket.

Person_one

Raksha wrote: »

If your parents are within 10 miles of Milton Keynes, I'd like to take up that challenge. I'm sure there are plenty of other trainers who use reward based methods who would be up for the challenge too.

Plenty have tried.

Raksha

Well, it depends on who is actually training the dog - a trainer can only do so much in a session, it's the person whose actually walking the dog who will be doing the training. Humans are strange, and some actually 'like' having the dog nobody can train, as it can't be their fault, it must be the dogs (or the trainers). When you are a trainer with an owner like this, you're setting yourself up to fail.

Person_one

Raksha wrote: »

Well, it depends on who is actually training the dog - a trainer can only do so much in a session, it's the person whose actually walking the dog who will be doing the training. Humans are strange, and some actually 'like' having the dog nobody can train, as it can't be their fault, it must be the dogs (or the trainers). When you are a trainer with an owner like this, you're setting yourself up to fail.

You'll just have to trust me that they've tried sincerely for 5 years.

As I said before, dogs aren't robots!

daytona900

I firstly have to say I am New on here. But just because i'm new doesn't mean I don't know a thing or two.
I cannot believe that everyone is arguing about weather CM is right or wrong to use the techniques he does, Having read the whole thread I am bemused as to who some people think they are, I am not the worlds biggest CM fan but I conform to the adage that nobody is perfect and that includes so called dog trainers, Many think that their method is the only method but as in all things there is always more than one way.
CM has a proven track record in his field which as mentioned earlier in the thread is not training but psychology.
His method just like anyone's are not always right for all dogs.
I personally own a 15 month old Dalmatian !!!!! who was already 12 months by the time I got her and has had little or no training, She has been to positive re-enforcement training(by a very reputable trainer) and responded by not learning a thing. I then tried a mixture of CM's method and the positive method and she is now a happy relaxed dog, she needed to find her place in our pack.
She is proof that it is not always as simple as saying don't chastise the dog it's the owners that are wrong, sometimes the dog is just plain stubborn.
I love dogs and have had many over the years and found that with each one it has taken a different approach to their training to get the best out of them and give them what they need.

jenhug

DKLS wrote: »

I had to click on the OPs link, after reading that, I was expecting something with spikes on! how dramatic.

I did try a halti collar with an old Akita of mine, he snapped it within a day, build quality was very poor.

I can thoroughly recommend a Dog matic head harness. They are very nice quality, come in much more variety of sizes and are nicely padded.

Fosterdog

daytona900 wrote: »

I firstly have to say I am New on here. But just because i'm new doesn't mean I don't know a thing or two.
I cannot believe that everyone is arguing about weather CM is right or wrong to use the techniques he does, Having read the whole thread I am bemused as to who some people think they are, I am not the worlds biggest CM fan but I conform to the adage that nobody is perfect and that includes so called dog trainers, Many think that their method is the only method but as in all things there is always more than one way.
CM has a proven track record in his field which as mentioned earlier in the thread is not training but psychology.
His method just like anyone's are not always right for all dogs.
I personally own a 15 month old Dalmatian !!!!! who was already 12 months by the time I got her and has had little or no training, She has been to positive re-enforcement training(by a very reputable trainer) and responded by not learning a thing. I then tried a mixture of CM's method and the positive method and she is now a happy relaxed dog, she needed to find her place in our pack.
She is proof that it is not always as simple as saying don't chastise the dog it's the owners that are wrong, sometimes the dog is just plain stubborn.
I love dogs and have had many over the years and found that with each one it has taken a different approach to their training to get the best out of them and give them what they need.

Do you realise how much you contradict yourself with this?

You have a 15 month old dog and have only had her since she was 12 months so she's only been with you for three months, thats just twelve weeks. No wonder positive reinforcement didn't work you didn't take the time to bond with the dog first.
You've taken a dog that has just been through something major (being rehomed, but without knowing her story she possibly went through worse) and instead of giving her time to settle and helping to build her confidence you gave up on the positive training after such a short time and resorted to forcing her to act the way you want her to.

There is a good chance that she is not as confident now after using CMs method as you think she is, she's just trying to give you the signals you want so she doesn't have to go through the punishment for not conforming to what you want.

Did it ever occur to you that the confidence she is now showing (if it's not just a front and is genuine confidence) is because she is starting to settle into a routine and it would have happened at roughly the same time without CMs methods.