Digby Jones - Civil service could have half the staff.

Airwolf1

My civil service wage is the lowest wage I've had for years. And in my particular department/office, we're short staffed, and they're after trying to get rid off more staff - not very good customer service!

lynzpower

Bournemouth council have also spent £50k on a court case fighting over a 1m squaare bit of land near the sea front

Do you have a link to this Chris Id be interested.

lynzpower

How could they ever understand what it is like to have your home taken away from you, being in court due not being able to afford the rise in council tax etc.

becuse many members of staff in councils are there themselves!

Andy_L

Airwolf1 wrote: »

My civil service wage is the lowest wage I've had for years.

So why do you stay there then?

macaque_2

Karen's_girl wrote: »

Many civil servants have to claim working tax credits because their salaries are so low.

My concerns are not about the salaries of very junior or part time employees. It is about the very low productivity, the waste, the over manning, the pension terms and the extravagent salaries given to middle and senior management.

As a previous poster has pointed out, if civil servants are so well paid and have it so easy, why do those working in the private sector not apply to join the civil service

There are two issues here. Firstly, people with a strong work ethic often find work in public sector very frustrating. Secondly, there is a lot of anecdotal evidence to suggest that the better jobs are reserved for insiders or the friends and family of insiders.

Sir_Humphrey

macaque wrote: »

Secondly, there is a lot of anecdotal evidence to suggest that the better jobs are reserved for insiders or the friends and family of insiders.

That is complete and utter bollux

Former_Spice

macaque wrote: »

Executive Director for Resourcesm, LANCASHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL, £135K
Deputy Chief Executive (Performance), MANCHESTER CITY COUNCIL,£130,000
Head of Economic Development and Sustainability, WORCESTERSHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL, £75,267 - £83,388 per annum
HR Relationship Manager - Adult Social Care, Kingston upon Thames, £60,000
Head of Corporate Information Services, STOCKPORT BOROUGH COUNCIL, £41,083 - £51,668 plus benefits
Head of Property & Procurement STOCKPORT BOROUGH COUNCIL, £46,856 - £57,723 plus benefits
Head of Corporate Information Services STOCKPORT BOROUGH COUNCIL, £41,083 - £51,668 plus benefits
Inclusion Manager Teacher, LEEDS CITY COUNCIL, £39,504 - ££43,607
Assessment and Intervention Team Managers, WEST SUSSEX COUNTY COUNCIL, £41,600 - £44,500 per annum
Therapies Manager - Children’s Services, EAST SUSSEX COUNTY COUNCIL, £38,931 - £42,549
Additional Educational Needs Manager LONDON BOROUGH OF HAVERING, £58,905 to £63,996
Deputy Head of Service, Countywide BEDFORDSHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL, £39,345 - £42,798
Head of Service - Strategic Commissioner for Culture, Health and Wellbeing WIGAN COUNCIL, £56,268 - £61,392
Programme Manager - Personalisation LEICESTERSHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL, £47,772 - £52,719
Children's Services Transport Manager LONDON BOROUGH OF HILLINGDON, £43,013 - £46,702
Deputy Service Manager - Fostering CITY OF WESTMINSTER COUNCIL, £41,721 up to £44,334
Professional Head of Social Work and Social Inclusion BRADFORD DISTRICT CARE TRUST, £41,221 - £53,432
Safeguarding Children Manager LONDON BOROUGH OF EALING, £54,054 - £56,880
Head of Early Years & Children's Centres Service CITY OF YORK COUNCIL, £43,850 - £50,200
2 Senior Quality Officers - Adults Services LONDON BOROUGH OF NEWHAM, £42,813 - £45,459
Operations Manager (Community Safety) LONDON BOROUGH OF REDBRIDGE, £41,076 - £43,695
Biodiversity Manager LONDON BOROUGH OF SUTTON, £38,463 - £41,076 pa
Head of Economic and Urban Policy MANCHESTER CITY COUNCIL, £65,000
Assistant Director Commissioning and Transformation - Adult Social Services NORFOLK COUNCIL,£79,000
Assistant Chief Executive, Performance and Delivery BARNSLEY METROPOLITAN BOROUGH COUNCIL, £80k
Director of the Office for Disability Issues DEPARTMENT OF WORK AND PENSIONS, £90K
Manager Services for Children/Young People with a Disability and/or Illness HEREFORDSHIRE COUNCIL,£37,106 - £44,527
Assistant Chief Executive, Performance and Delivery BARNSLEY METROPOLITAN BOROUGH COUNCIL, £80k
Head of Service – Safeguarding and Vulnerable Children HEREFORDSHIRE COUNCIL, £67,599 to £71,299
Head of Policy & Performance, ROYAL BOROUGH WINDSOR & MAIDENHEAD, £62,885 - £73,170
Head of Admissions & Transport EAST SUSSEX COUNTY COUNCIL, £49,338 - £53,916
Head of Economic and Urban Policy MANCHESTER CITY COUNCIL, £65,000
Neighbourhood Manager COMMUNITY AT HEART, £38,462 – 41,897 per annum
Joint Commissioners: Mental Health & Learning Disabilities LONDON BOROUGH OF BARNET,£48,252 - £51,078
Joint Commissioners: Older People & Physical Sensory Impairment LONDON BOROUGH OF BARNET,£48,252 - £51,078
Lead Officer for Carers - Strategy & Commissioning LONDON BOROUGH OF BARNET, £48,024 - £51,381
Assistant Director - Planning, Performance and Engagement EAST SUSSEX COUNTY COUNCIL, £68,310
Children’s Workforce Development – Project Officer LEICESTERSHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL, £36,675 - £40,518
London 2012 Manager LONDON BOROUGH OF BRENT, £46,359
Director of Economic Development LANCASHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL, £98k
Training and Development Manager LONDON BOROUGH OF LAMBETH, £39,987
Officer in Charge LONDON BOROUGH OF NEWHAM, £38,463 pa - £41,076 pa (pro-rata)
Head of Adult Disability and Sensory Services LONDON BOROUGH OF NEWHAM, £47,200 - £57,700
Extended Schools Manager LONDON BOROUGH OF SOUTHWARK, £39,114 - £45,219
Service Manager - Quality, Contracts and Safeguarding, KENSINGTON AND CHELSEA, £70,500 incl. avg
Operations Manager - Children's Placement Service LONDON BOROUGH OF EALING, £54,054 - £56,880 pa inclusive
Head of Transformation and Modernisation - Adult Social Care LONDON BOROUGH OF HOUNSLOW, £73,805 to £85,459
Care & Repair and Grants Team Leader LONDON BOROUGH OF HOUNSLOW, £40,194 - £42,813
Health and Safety Manager SURREY COUNTY COUNCIL, £40,002 - £44,757
Strategic Project Manager for Croydon’s Children’s Trust LONDON BOROUGH OF CROYDON, £39,302 - £41,097
Head of Transformation and Modernisation LONDON BOROUGH OF HOUNSLOW, £73,805 to £85,459
Corporate Director of Development and Neighbourhood Services, STOCKTON ON TEES, £128,523
Strategic Director of Neighbourhood Services, MANCHESTER CITY COUNCIL, £120,000
Director of Strategic Client Relations,£120k
Executive Director, ROCHDALE METROPOLITAN BOROUGH COUNCIL, £120,000
Executive Director - Finance and Support Services, SOUTH CAMBRIDGESHIRE DISTRICT COUNCIL, Salary £100000

There's around 50 jobs there out of two million.

That's one quarter of one percent of one percent.

I am sure you can find an overpaid .000025% of people in any type of employment. Bares absolutley no relevence to the vast, vast majority.

Sir_Humphrey

Former_Spice wrote: »

There's around 50 jobs there out of two million.

That's one quarter of one percent of one percent.

I am sure you can find an overpaid .000025% of people in any type of employment. Bares absolutley no relevence to the vast, vast majority.

Look, if the poster understood logic, s/he might actually have a professional job instead of moaning at those who do. I suspect you are actually replying to that moron Dog from HPC.co.uk

macaque_2

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

That is complete and utter bollux

What I said was that there is plenty anecdotal evidence and you cannot actually argue with that. The anecdotal evidence is everywhere you look. 18 months ago Hampshire Council advertised for 12 positions at over £80k each in one week. Do we honestly believe those jobs were on offer to outsiders? Harrow, Swindon and a number of other Councils did the same thing around the same time.

We all know people who have landed cushy jobs in their local council and it just so happens that they have a friend or relative on the council. You may be right and it is just a coincidence but it does seem to be common.

Look, if the poster understood logic, s/he might actually have a professional job instead of moaning at those who do. I suspect you are actually replying to that moron Dog from HPC.co.uk

Full marks, I am indeed one and the same.

In relation to the manner of responses I would describe you as an 'abusive servant' rather than a 'civil servant'.

Sir_Humphrey

macaque wrote: »

What I said was that there is plenty anecdotal evidence and you cannot actually argue with that. The anecdotal evidence is everywhere you look. 18 months ago Hampshire Council advertised for 12 positions at over £80k each in one week. Do we honestly believe those jobs were on offer to outsiders? Harrow, Swindon and a number of other Councils did the same thing around the same time.

So a council advertising for jobs is evidence of insiderdom...okaaaay. I was referring to the civil service, which is if you knew your stuff you would know does not comprise local councils.

macaque wrote: »

Full marks, I am indeed one and the same

As for giving offence, I am with the late John Mortimer on that one.