Digby Jones - Civil service could have half the staff.

macaque_2

dzug1 wrote: »

Given the number of posts, it's pretty obvious they are having trouble filling them.

What contorted logic brings you to this conclusion. These job ads rarely stay on the Guardian website for more than 1 week. That proves the very antithesis of what you are suggesting.

More than 17,000 public sector employees have pension pots of more than £1 million. Public sector managers are now the second highest paid group in the country http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/2949832/Public-sector-executives-come-second-in-pay-league.html

These tax abusers fill their boots with other peoples money whilst old people go cold and hungry, police stations close down, class numbers rise etc etc.

I recognise that some of the people of the bottom of the public sector pecking order get a rough deal. From the middle up however, our once excellent public sector are slipping into a swamp of laziness greed and sleaze.

lynzpower

What contorted logic brings you to this conclusion. These job ads rarely stay on the Guardian website for more than 1 week. That proves the very antithesis of what you are suggesting.

I will tell you right now that all the social work vacancies you see above are hard to fill particularly child protection. they may stay on a week, but thatsd usually due to budget constraints rather than anything else. I remember being staggered to find that guardian charges 900 quid for a 1/4 page advert in society, so even if no one applied, there was not the budget to advertise it more than twice in one month due to budget only having X amount in the pot per month for adverts in press.

There is a national shortage of social workers. Thats why we have to iport them from SA/Aus/NZ/Canada and they are paid a lot more than perms as the state is desperate to source agency staff.

macaque_2

lynzpower wrote: »

I will tell you right now that all the social work vacancies you see above are hard to fill particularly child protection. they may stay on a week, but thatsd usually due to budget constraints rather than anything else. I remember being staggered to find that guardian charges 900 quid for a 1/4 page advert in society, so even if no one applied, there was not the budget to advertise it more than twice in one month due to budget only having X amount in the pot per month for adverts in press.

There is a national shortage of social workers. Thats why we have to iport them from SA/Aus/NZ/Canada and they are paid a lot more than perms as the state is desperate to source agency staff.

I believe they are looking to pay the next Haringey director of child services in excess of £200K. There's the problem. If all these parasitic managers were fired and the money used to give better pay to the troops on the ground the system would work a lot better.

lynzpower

but you simply cannot run a CP team without a manager! Who does the supervision? Who does the court work?

Do you know anything about how local authorities work. You cant have social workers with no manager!

chewmylegoff

on the point of social workers - haringey are currently having to pay locum social workers £50/hour in child services in order to attract anyone to actually do the job. no-one will do it for less as it is such a poisoned chalice.

lynzpower

Its not just haringey who patys that , loads of LAs pay that- ones with much better reputations than Haringey

I could tell you stories about child priotection - but this is not the board for it) that would make your hair curl, and i'll tell you 50 poxy quid an hour would not be enough to tempt me back into that profession. )

chris_spackman

The thing that makes most peoples blood boil is as we have seen here the amount of money (our money) that these people are paid. The other thing is waste and MP's pay and so called expenses but how about the pension which they know they will get, are increased with our money whilst private pensions that some have worked hard all their life are woth nothing. So whilst some pay for a pension of their own they are also paying for MP's and council workers pensions who will not be affected.

mewbie_2

chris_spackman wrote: »

The thing that makes most peoples blood boil is as we have seen here the amount of money (our money) that these people are paid.

What I don't understand about people's blood boiling is why didn't they get some qualifications at school, and why don't they get off their fat @sses and apply for one of these jobs. If it's that good, and that cushy, and that easy then go for it - or is the truth that the boiling blood people actually can't get a job like that because they are not qualified to.

We don't have to be content to shovel !!!!!! and moan about how much others are getting. We could put a bit of effort in and try for one of these positions.

olly300

chris_spackman wrote: »

The thing that makes most peoples blood boil is as we have seen here the amount of money (our money) that these people are paid.

Not if like me they have to listen to (horror) stories about the worst in our society and they are not all poor.

In fact I wouldn't do the job how ever much you paid me as I like to sleep at night.

Luckily for us there are still idealists out there....

The_White_Horse

what the hell are these departments paying private consultants for???? they are paying "leaders" hundreds of thousands to do the job. if they need consultants as well, they obviously can't do their job.

i have worked at the top level in private companies - some large city companies as well - and we have NEVER used consultants.

what a waste of taxpayers money.

who actually employs them????