Auction to raise funds for death row dogs

hethmar

Che looks gorgeous - beautiful eyes hasnt she.

Bilberry re the auction thingy, Ive never worked out how to put stuff on there either. I think you just go to the thread, do an add posting and you list it under your board name with a number - starting with 1, 2 etc.

Have a bash and if you cant do it, hold it til the next one in about 6 months time. Do join the forum though as you can see a lot more of the boards if you are actually a member. There is an auction discussion thread on there by the way.

moggylover

Kimberley wrote: »

Sadly hundreds more cats and dogs will be unwanted after the new year Why are people are like this, it's ot just a few, but hundreds of people dump their pets but why? Why get a pet in the first place?

You know what, until vets in this country start neuturing/spaying animals early before they are sold to people this sort of thing will continue to grow. Breeders would then be able to neuture/spay their pups and kittens knowing the new owners cannot profit from them but until then it will get worse and worse but hey what the heck they are only animals after all

There are VERY good reasons, health wise, for NOT bringing forward the age of neutering/spaying because of hormone problems that can manifest themselves if the operations are done too early and that can bring on serious skin and glandular conditions and so forth.

What we NEED is for the public to stop pandering to the "need" to own certain breeds, rather than just choosing to own a mut/moggy and for the breeders to be a damned sight more careful about the homing of puppies/kittens than they currently are. Either that, or they could demonstrate their true love of animals by stopping breeding;) .

I would adore breeding certain cats: would I do it? No I would not! For every one cat that gets a lovely and responsible home, there are two (no matter what you charge for them) that are at risk, or ultimately betrayed. There are many pedigrees who end up in need of new homes as well - just a lot of breeders like to kid themselves that they don't.

Until breeders clean up their homing, (and that would take things like having an express contract that says that at "X" age you have to prove to them that the animal has been neutered/spayed or legal ownership reverts to the breeder and the purchase price less "X" amount would be refunded) then we will never see an end to these problems. We also need a system which has strict regulation of ANY breeding (based more on the health of the animals than breed considerations) and big fines for those that are found to be over-breeding or breeding from unsuitable pairings or being indiscriminate in their homing methods. The fact that someone will hand over £350 or even £1000 does not necessarily mean that they are going to be a good pet owner, nor does it mean they really wanted a pet. Often they only wanted a status symbol and when the "difficulties" set in the animal is dumped.

Rant over:o . Apologies, but like most who have spent a large part of their life (and a lot of their own personal money) on rescuing the result of other peoples irresponsibility: I sometimes reach the point where I can find nothing left to excuse it. Not because I regret or begrudge the time the effort or the money it has cost me: but because despite the best efforts of every rescue worker throughout the Country over MANY years, the problem still persists, as does the convenient misconception that breeders are not a major part of the problem, and the other convenient misconception that it is only muts and mogs that end up in rescues.

sorry - I will put me rattle back in the pram and get me coat:o

moggylover

LittleTinker wrote: »

I dont think you can make comparisons between this thread and the other thread about the cats being killed....they are different scenarios altogether.

The lady who was responsible for the killer dog posted and she got many replies from animal lovers saying how irresponsible they think she has been by allowing her dog to kill other people pets not once, but 3 times. It was a thread that was bound to receive a lot of responce from many cat/animal lovers.

This thread highlights the plight of dogs in rescue or pounds. Most people are aware of this situation. Most people would like to see an end to dogs being abandoned and most people would like to see the owners of such dogs strung up!
But other than that, what can anyone do? I will write how disgusted I am that someone allowed their dog to kill a cat but writting how disgusted I am that so many dogs get abandoned isnt directed at anyone in particular so is just saying what most people feel anyway.

I hate to think of cats being killed by a dog.....and i hate to think of dogs on death row.....but what would you all like to see me do? Adopt 2 Staffies?

The other side of the coin is that the Pounds, RSPCA and rescue centres are not always reknowned for helping themselves.

I would gladly take in all manner of animals.....but the process is made so difficult and expensive. At the moment, there is a little dog who needs a new home in the rescue centre who I would love to love near where I am.
They want a home visit.....fine, no problem there, and then I need to visit the dog, then they bring the dog to visit me, then I have to go to the centre and spend a few hours with it......and after all that I have to part with a minimum of £140 donation (how is it a donation) agree to blah blah T&C's and promise to allow visitation of rescue staff at any time.

Why? Why is it made such a difficult, time consuming and expensive process?

Is anyone then surprised that people will get their animals as puppies, which are, for the most part, free or cheap?

I know they have to weedle out the bad owners....but they are also weedling out good ones too!!!

Because the really good pet owners will not mind in the least;) Never have, and never will. Thus, if people cannot be bothered to go through the process (which is not perfect but the best that we have been able to come up with) they are pretty unlikely to be "good" owners and rescues have lost nothing but a (probably) temporary or less than good home. I'd rather put em all down than put em in the wrong places:D

mariauk

Well said Moggylover :T For some strange reason people think if they are buying from a breeder that they are being more responsible, many "Breeders" are only in the game for the financial gain no matter how "strict" they are on "selling" their litters. If they were that worried about the breed they wouldn`t charge as much, as the money surely wouldn`t be the incentive to breed

Maybe they should donate some of their profits to rescue, maybe it would work out better for the poor animals that are left behind because they are not good enough for some people.

moggylover

LittleTinker wrote: »

Why is it that the old method of a collar and tag is all of a sudden no good?

I have never yet had a dog who has lost its collar but have had a dog stolen. A Microchip can be felt under the skin. You never felt them before? And so dogs can be stolen, the chips removed and then passed on. It happens a lot although more common in cats.

I know rescue centres do wonderful jobs....I support them the best I can.....but I wont bother wasting my time getting a dog from one when I can get one for the same price or less, younger and the actual breed I want from a breeder.

It stands to reason doesnt it? People arent any different with children.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

and therein lies the problem! You may be a good pet owner, but we only have your word for it. Everyone that comes "thinks" or "says" they are - not many of them live up to their own hype:D .

Actually, I think anyone who says they would "go to a breeder because they can get it cheaper/younger, etc." is a major part of why we have so many animals in care and so many put down each year. Would you get an animal from me: on what you have said so far, not a hope! Sorry if that offends, and you may be coming across very different to how and who you really are: but I find your EXPRESSED attitude both irresponsible and offensive, and it does not display to me either any understanding of the situation rescues are in, or an underlying one of how your attitude helps to perpetuate the problem.:o

moggylover

mariauk wrote: »

Well said Moggylover :T For some strange reason people think if they are buying from a breeder that they are being more responsible, many "Breeders" are only in the game for the financial gain no matter how "strict" they are on "selling" their litters. If they were that worried about the breed they wouldn`t charge as much, as the money surely wouldn`t be the incentive to breed

Maybe they should donate some of their profits to rescue, maybe it would work out better for the poor animals that are left behind because they are not good enough for some people.

Better yet, maybe they should have to come and actually DO the rescue work;) - that would soon put them off. Especially having to hold the poor little sods that are being pts because they no longer "fit" someones life-style:rolleyes:

foreign_correspondent

LittleTinker wrote: »

I know rescue centres do wonderful jobs....I support them the best I can.....but I wont bother wasting my time getting a dog from one when I can get one for the same price or less, younger and the actual breed I want from a breeder.

I think that line tells us all we need to know about this posters attitude....

One for the same price or less, maybe, but not neutered, chipped and most likely not vacced. If they ae breeding dogs for less than that and making a profit they may be cutting corners and probably churning out plenty of pups to add to the overpopulation problem. They have few overheads in terms of the dogs health and welfare unlike good rescues.

Interestingly Little Tinker thinks that microchipping is a waste of time, and the rescues should not do this, as it would save money and apparently chips are useless anyway as they are 'cut out by nasty people who steal dogs.. it happens all the time' - but oddly when asked for evidence of this could not provide any at all.

I think we can safely assume this poster does not like the facts to interfere with her opinions.

However, lets hope that sensible, well informed people appreciate the work rescues do and the huge struggle they face against a consumer society where dogs are seen as commodities to be dumped or swapped for a younger model when they are no longer required.

BilberryCharlotte

hethmar wrote: »

Che looks gorgeous - beautiful eyes hasnt she.

Bilberry re the auction thingy, Ive never worked out how to put stuff on there either. I think you just go to the thread, do an add posting and you list it under your board name with a number - starting with 1, 2 etc.

Have a bash and if you cant do it, hold it til the next one in about 6 months time. Do join the forum though as you can see a lot more of the boards if you are actually a member. There is an auction discussion thread on there by the way.

I have applied to join that forum, but am still awaiting validation (sob), so I think I will have to wait for the later auction.

My items were only small, a trio of glass photo holders by Pier, a pretty brooch by Monet, `The Paupers Cookbook` by Jocasta Innes, and a little paperback cookbook `101 one pot meals`. They are all new, so I will put them away and put them on the next auction.

Sorry I can`t be more use, do you have a Pay Pal account where donations can be sent?

hethmar

Oh, Ive got that 101 one pot meals Never used it yet, but have flicked through .

Yes, we have auctions about every 6 months so hang on to the stuff.

Oh course you are of use - just knowing about the dogs and telling others helps. So many people dont even realise stray dogs are put down after 7 days - they probably dont want to know.

Yes, there is a pay pal tab on there, I normally use that, though its sick that paypal whip a bit off, youd think they would have a lower level for good causes wouldnt you.

If you go to the main page, look at the tabs down the side, I think the second one down is Help a Poundie. Click on that and you get a run down of the monthly costs scroll past that and there is a nochex tab (I think thats like a bank transfer) and below that is the yellow Pay Pal donate button.

Many thanks indeed

BilberryCharlotte

hethmar wrote: »

Oh, Ive got that 101 one pot meals Never used it yet, but have flicked through .

Yes, we have auctions about every 6 months so hang on to the stuff.

It is my pleasure hethmar. I actually bought the Paupers cookbook and the one pot meal book to keep as `emergency` presents if anyone called unexpectedly over Christmas, so many people like to look at books and programmes on food, but they weren`t needed.

They may as well go towards helping the `Poundies`, as good a cause as any!

:-)