Auction to raise funds for death row dogs

BilberryCharlotte

I have just sent a small donation via Pay Pal, I hope you can understand the garbled message I wrote.

When I have been validated I will use the Poundie forum to find a better way of donating, I resent every penny that is taken by Pay Pal and which could be going to animals in need.

Thank you for caring and doing the wonderful work you do. :-)

hethmar

I dont do much Bilberry, Im not on the sharp end like some of them. I mainly see only what you do. I feel for the vollies who have to go into the pound and get the dogs, take them to vets for check overs and sometimes lose them as they are found to be terminally ill.

We are all over the country as the dogs are transported all over the country. So location doesnt matter if you want to get involved

Coryn (the boss) should receive your note and donation, thank you - she usually sends a little email to acknowledge and thank you xx

Oh just seen your are in Southport - Sass, the animal artist lives there

hethmar

Auctions over guys - thanks to those who bid or joined the forum. The more the merrier

Will let you know the total raised tomorrow.

LittleTinker

I am quite baffled as to what your problem with me is on a personal level, FC.

Just because I dont have the same way of thinking as you or many other posters does not mean that i am not a decent, caring pet owner.

I have not attacked you personally. I have made my views known the same as you.....if they differ, it doesnt mean they are wrong.

You....and anyone else too.....know nothing about me or the way in which I bring up my animals.

I also consider myself to be completely responsible for my pets and have never neglected a single one.

I have a rescue dog that I got 12 years ago.....hes a mutt who was born in wales and I picked him up from Kent.

I also have a Yorkie and a Springer who I got from local breeders. I didnt go to a rescue because I did want puppies of those breeds and didnt think there would be many in rescue.....I could have been lucky I guess.

They are not insured....and nor will they ever be as I dont believe in lining the pockets of insurace brookers. That is in ALL walks of life, not just with my pets. The way I see it, by the time Ive paid any excess etc etc Id be better off paying out of my own pocket.....which I have on serveral occasion.

They are neutered and spayed.

They are not microchipped either....and never will be. I know of a couple of dogs that have been stolen and had their chips removed but cannot link this as its not anywhere on the internet for me to do so. And yes, they have been reported to the rspca.

They are walked everyday.....i pick up poop (unlike some).....we have a large garden too, that they can play in. The Yorkie is regulalry groomed. They all are fequently washed, combed, deflead and dewormed. I never leave them alone for more than a couple of hours or so and have never put them in kennels when we have a holiday....and I never will. I pay for a family member to come and stay here.

I have never dumped a dog....and never will.

Some people believe that chipping is very important.....or that insurance is an absolute must....but lots of people dont. It does not mean they make bad pet owners. It doesnt mean they havent room for lots of love, care and affection.

Moggy says that people like me are the problem why so many animals are in rescue and why so many are put down every year.

Why? Because I dont want to travel 15 miles on a bus with children and 3 dogs and lots of cats to go meet a rescue dog to see if we are suited?

It is nothing to do with me why so many animals are in rescue. I havent put them there, I do not let my animals breed and then dump the babies or even churn them out for lots of cash!!

It is not unreasonable for someone to want a puppy of a particular breed and the chances of finding such a puppy are quite low in a rescue centre. You cannot complain at people for having a dog they would prefer and for not picking out a 3 year old rescue.

I gave my point of view on rescue centres as a counter point....to put forward a few reasons why people dont always want to use one as I see it all the time "Why wont people come and pick one of these rescue dogs?" I am sure many many more homes would be available if some of the rules were relaxed.

I did also add, however, that I do understand why the rules are there as they have to make sure that owners are suitable......with exactly what Moggy said.....all the ones who can be bothered to go through it all must really want a dog.

I would say thats a pretty accurate statement. It is not accurate the other way round though.......that anyone who DOESNT want to go through all the rules IS a bad owner. Not true at all.

Are you all telling me that every person who doesnt get a dog from a rescue centre is selfish and irresponsible? No, of course they arent.

You all seem to want to judge me because of counter arguments. Because I want to give you some ideas of why people dont want to use rescue centres or microchip.

Why have you the right to tell me that I am a bad pet owner and that I am irresponsible and offensive because you dont like my views? You all do things your way but I wouldnt say you were offensive or irresponsible.

FC says that I dont like facts to intefer with my opinions. What opinions do I have that differ from facts? Where are all these disputes I have had about facts? I dont remember having any issues at all with 'Facts'.

You all seem perfectly happy with your broad brush statements and seem to be so closed that you are not even able to see what my points have been.

ok....Ill leave you all to it.

foreign_correspondent

Hethmar, I hope your auction has been sucessful - RDR do some great work.

Sadly my confirmation email never came through, but like Bilberry I am keen to get involved next time and will see if I have anything I can offer - if not I will be bidding enthusiastically!

Little Tinker, I have no problem with you personally - how can I, I do not know you. I have never said you are a bad pet owner.

However, I do dislike your attitude about not being bothered to get a rescue dog because you can buy a pup cheaper, which just encourages breeding when we are so chronically overpopulated with dogs. If you want a puppy loads are in rescue at the moment for this very reason (breeders struggling to sell them in the current financial climate). There are specific breed rescues for dogs including one for Yorkshire terriers, and several for springer spaniels, so it would have been possible to find both through rescue.

I also dislike your scaremongering about microchips being dug out of stolen animals - I believe this to be urban myth and a totally irresponsible one to perpetuate. I have asked you to provide evidence and you cannot. I cannot find any either - I am sure this would have been reported in the media if it was occuring.

It is clear you are keen to stick to your opinions, and although you accuse others of being 'closed' - you apear very reluctant to re-consider your ideas even when the evidence challenges them.

However, I do think it is always useful to discuss these issues, even if we disagree, because any discussion of the current influx of dogs into pounds and rescues is useful and might make a few more people aware of the problem - we can do nothing abut it if we sweep it under the carpet.

Personally, I could not bring myself to buy a pup or dog when I know the plight of so many in rescue. Of course you can make your own choice and are perfectly entitled to do so.

LittleTinker

Yes, FC, but that is you. We dont all share the same opinion...it doesnt make you right and me wrong does it?.

I say you are closed because to you it is rescue or nothing whereas I am not saying breeder or nothing am I? And you continue to say that I am "reluctant to reconsider my ideas even when evidence challenges them". Again, I will ask.....what is it that I am reluctant to reconsider and with what evidence??


What I am saying is that people can and do have a choice and why should they be made to feel somewhat negligent by you if their choice isnt a rescue centre?

You partrionise others with your hard and fast opinions and with every word I write, you find reason to make me out to be an uncaring person. Telling me that there are rescues for different breeds is one example. I know there are rescue centres for different breeds. Why do you assume that I have no interest in using them?

You seem to be stuck on the idea that I wont use rescue centres because I can get a dog cheaper elsewhere which is not what I said.

I will say .....yet again.... i dont have a problem with rescue centres but a rescue centre is not always the answer for everyone in every situation or time of life and to keep telling me that it is doesnt make it correct.

I put across my opinion on this forum because 'people' were complaining about the amount of dogs in rescue.....and I offered an opinion as to WHY that might be the case.

I cannot help the fact that you do not like some things I have to say about microchips being removed from pets....and you can ask me over and over again for evidence and I will keep telling you I dont have any to give you.....it doesnt mean I am lying.

It is not scarmongering. The same way that if you were to say collars on cats are dangerous because they can strangle themselves when they get them caught is not scaremongering either.....it is pointing out a counter when someone may not have considered it.

None of you seem to think I may have a point at all....or that any rescue centre may need to use more common sense from time to time instead of having hard and fat rules......instead you all seem to favour labelling me as an uncaring, unkind, irresponsible, ill informed and just basically unfit to keep animals.

FC....you are ignorant by the way your previous posts speaks about me as though I am not here. "Little Tinker thinks ......" and ....."This posters attitude......"

Do you think that that is a very nice way to speak to anyone? Or were you deliberately trying to alienate me from the thread by speaking about me like Im not here?

You should congratulate yourself as you have managed to both upset me and alienate me.

hethmar

The girls have had a rough count up and the total is currently showing as

£1532

Probably a months vet bills and expenses.


Thanks everyone :T

foreign_correspondent

wow - brilliant - though I know in the scheme of things it is a drop in the ocean and that fundraising is a mammoth and ongoing task, to raise a months expenses is a great achievement!!

hethmar

One of the girls has just posted details of another auction for the Oldies Club. Oh, exciting lot been donated by Martin Clunes

Ill start another thread for it.

CiciBaltimore

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Because the really good pet owners will not mind in the least;) Never have, and never will. Thus, if people cannot be bothered to go through the process (which is not perfect but the best that we have been able to come up with) they are pretty unlikely to be "good" owners and rescues have lost nothing but a (probably) temporary or less than good home. I'd rather put em all down than put em in the wrong places:D

thats not a nice thing to say and its wrong to. some rescuers are really funny with there questions and tell you to do realy hard stuff that is to hard for some poeple todo. i have a good home for a dog and spent ages lookng for a rescuer where i can buy a dog from but it was so hard. i had to phone up a few near me, how am i supposed to go on a bus for 14 miles with akk the perople who live here and with my other pets to,? coz that is what i had to do for one.that is difficupt for me to do but i dont mind, i just cant. thanks for saying i am a bad pet owner, :mad: