DWP employment waiting list

mandie2106

scooterchick wrote: »

Go for it, it won't go against you. The business is well aware that there are many people sitting at band B level who held more senior positions before they joined DWP and basically applied for the AO to secure employment.

Thanks hun. That was my initial thought. I guess im just thinking if i apply late november interview prob wont be wil dec, i wont find out the outcome til january and with the way things are it could be a few months before being posted, by which time i have a bit of experience as band B, and by which time im moving to a higher paid level before my fixed term ends. To be honest its not even the pay that interests me. As a lone parent i get pretty good tax credits, child tax etc so it boosts my £15k salary upto around £20k (this year anyway as based on last years income). Just observing the role....i know thats the level id love to be at. Argh i dont know. Think i might speak to my boss about it, see what her views are x

mandie2106

Nicklt wrote: »

100% deffo go for it, this is what i hope to do. I have been offered an AO post but as soon as i see EO up for my area or other then i will be going for it. Reach for the skies!

AND GOOD LUCK!

thanks hun, same to you. I guess we cant be penalised for aiming high...thats what its all about eh!

desperado2

It strikes me, that in my dealings with DWP - in applying for a job with them, as well as my dealings with them in terms of being a job seeker that getting a job is a poisoned chalice.. after all, anyone "capable" must surely be frustrated beyond belief at the generic incompetence displayed by the vast majority of the employees..

Surely anyone with half a brain would be literally and metaphorically pulling their hair out if they finally got a job there.. assuming they had any left after the application process..:rotfl:

I admit I will take "anything" just to be working, as I believe that an employed person is discriminated against far less than an employed one - even if the current job is no reflection of past achievement or current capability.. But since being "on the list" I have redoubled my efforts to find something else before I potentially get the offer for an actual start at DWP.

The IRC I applied for is an 18 month contract, and I would have no qualms about walking out - notice period or otherwise the minute something better comes along. I have a modicum of guilt that I am taking a job that doesnt reflect my work plan, and that I might take a place that some poor soul really and genuinely aspires to.. but needs must..

I really do hope "someone" from DWP is reading this and the other related threads, it might just impact on future recruitment (OK some hope!) but the one thing that this process has reiterated in my brain is that privatisation is a good thing!!

I accept that it is rarely handled correctly.. but thats the fault of "Government" too - you cant trust them to run anything, not even the privatisation process.. :mad:

I look forward to the Royal Mail sell off when they finally have the balls to do it.. Some of us are old enough to remember how appalling the GPO was.. before major surgery amputated telephone services and created BT.. You may gripe about BT, but at least you dont wait 6 months on the offchance some overunionised gimp might find time between rest breaks tea breaks, lunch and hometime to actually install a telephone.. and similar attitudes to fixing faults..

Im a grumpy old 47 going on 87 I guess!

Nicklt

desperado2 wrote: »

It strikes me, that in my dealings with DWP - in applying for a job with them, as well as my dealings with them in terms of being a job seeker that getting a job is a poisoned chalice.. after all, anyone "capable" must surely be frustrated beyond belief at the generic incompetence displayed by the vast majority of the employees..

Surely anyone with half a brain would be literally and metaphorically pulling their hair out if they finally got a job there.. assuming they had any left after the application process..:rotfl:

I admit I will take "anything" just to be working, as I believe that an employed person is discriminated against far less than an employed one - even if the current job is no reflection of past achievement or current capability.. But since being "on the list" I have redoubled my efforts to find something else before I potentially get the offer for an actual start at DWP.

The IRC I applied for is an 18 month contract, and I would have no qualms about walking out - notice period or otherwise the minute something better comes along. I have a modicum of guilt that I am taking a job that doesnt reflect my work plan, and that I might take a place that some poor soul really and genuinely aspires to.. but needs must..

I really do hope "someone" from DWP is reading this and the other related threads, it might just impact on future recruitment (OK some hope!) but the one thing that this process has reiterated in my brain is that privatisation is a good thing!!

I accept that it is rarely handled correctly.. but thats the fault of "Government" too - you cant trust them to run anything, not even the privatisation process.. :mad:

I look forward to the Royal Mail sell off when they finally have the balls to do it.. Some of us are old enough to remember how appalling the GPO was.. before major surgery amputated telephone services and created BT.. You may gripe about BT, but at least you dont wait 6 months on the offchance some overunionised gimp might find time between rest breaks tea breaks, lunch and hometime to actually install a telephone.. and similar attitudes to fixing faults..

Im a grumpy old 47 going on 87 I guess!

Too bluddy grumpy as far as i can see, if you hate everthing here so much leave. And sorry that you are too intelligent or experienced for a job within the DWP, for some (me included) they would make a real go at the job, im my own experience i have never had a problem with the DPW or JC, they can be a bit slow at time but i would rather have slow than not giving a damn about customers like most private companies have. Private companies are run alot worse than none private as the buck starts and end in the profit margin.

mandie2106

desperado2 wrote: »

It strikes me, that in my dealings with DWP - in applying for a job with them, as well as my dealings with them in terms of being a job seeker that getting a job is a poisoned chalice.. after all, anyone "capable" must surely be frustrated beyond belief at the generic incompetence displayed by the vast majority of the employees..

Surely anyone with half a brain would be literally and metaphorically pulling their hair out if they finally got a job there.. assuming they had any left after the application process..:rotfl:

I admit I will take "anything" just to be working, as I believe that an employed person is discriminated against far less than an employed one - even if the current job is no reflection of past achievement or current capability.. But since being "on the list" I have redoubled my efforts to find something else before I potentially get the offer for an actual start at DWP.

The IRC I applied for is an 18 month contract, and I would have no qualms about walking out - notice period or otherwise the minute something better comes along. I have a modicum of guilt that I am taking a job that doesnt reflect my work plan, and that I might take a place that some poor soul really and genuinely aspires to.. but needs must..

I really do hope "someone" from DWP is reading this and the other related threads, it might just impact on future recruitment (OK some hope!) but the one thing that this process has reiterated in my brain is that privatisation is a good thing!!

I accept that it is rarely handled correctly.. but thats the fault of "Government" too - you cant trust them to run anything, not even the privatisation process.. :mad:

I look forward to the Royal Mail sell off when they finally have the balls to do it.. Some of us are old enough to remember how appalling the GPO was.. before major surgery amputated telephone services and created BT.. You may gripe about BT, but at least you dont wait 6 months on the offchance some overunionised gimp might find time between rest breaks tea breaks, lunch and hometime to actually install a telephone.. and similar attitudes to fixing faults..

Im a grumpy old 47 going on 87 I guess!

In this current market there isnt room for guilt lol. You have gotten through this process the same as anyoen else, and regardless of your life plans, you should take this job if, at the present time, you need to. I actually dont think it would make any difference if the whole of the government read this forum. They have a way of working things and our gripes wont change that (unfortunately), and as much as this particular recruitment drive has gone a bit tits up (for lack of a better phrase) the reasoning behind it seems logical. DWP werent happy with recruiting in smaller numbers....instead they got up the hopes of half the nation only to freeze on most of us and leave a large number of people hanging. If they had recruited less people we would equally have had disappointed ppl (this way is harder...but the good part is that most of them will get the call eventually). Believe me, i waited 6 months, and thats a logn wait by any standards...but i got my job.

47 going on 87 lol....im 26 going on 56, thanks to all the grey hair DWP gave me in the last few months. But hey, it doesnt hurt haha

scooterchick

The recruitment process is a tricky one to get right. As it stands everyone who achieved the pass mark in the interview went on the waitng list, regardless of how many posts there were. I guess DWP could have set the pass mark higher thus shortening the list or they could have simply employed the exact number they needed at the time and subsequently had to do further recruitment costing the tax payer yet more money.

I know it's been frustrating for a lot of people the long wait, the hopes getting raised but none of the letters stated that if you were on the waiting list you would def get a job. The waiting list letter stated that you had a succesful interview, would go on the waiting list and they hoped to offer you a position. What would the alternative have been?

desperado2

Nicklt wrote: »

Too bluddy grumpy as far as i can see, if you hate everthing here so much leave. And sorry that you are too intelligent or experienced for a job within the DWP, for some (me included) they would make a real go at the job, im my own experience i have never had a problem with the DPW or JC, they can be a bit slow at time but i would rather have slow than not giving a damn about customers like most private companies have. Private companies are run alot worse than none private as the buck starts and end in the profit margin.

I didnt say I "hate" everything here - assumption is the mother of all F^&k ups , nor did I say I was "too intelligent", though I freely admit I am wildly more experienced than the potential job offer I will get.

I dont see anything wrong with anyone making a go of the job, and I truly wish anyone hoping to do so well in their future career.. although based on my dealings with my local job centre the folk working there could not give a toss, have little comprehension of the alleged ethos and competencies I was assessed against in my interview, and have little respect for anyone that passes through their doors.. not "good service" in my book.. slow, ineffective, hidebound by rules and procedures that do not allow for thought and circumstance will never be a good starting point.

I temper that with the thought that yes indeed there are those who do all they can not to work, or to manipulate the system, and that must be frustrating and soul destroying on a daily basis and if you deal with that for most of your day, it takes exceptional customer relations skills to be positive and upbeat with the more genuine clients.

There is nothing wrong with profit.. you are on the moneysavingexpert forum because just like any company you want to get what you want, and get it for less.. just as "profit" driven as any private sector company.. and dont for one minute think that the Civil Service isn't driven by cash.. the unfortunate thing is that they will pay £1.50 for a box of paperclips that costs 35p in any high street stationers because "thats the way we do it".. and a private company would pay 35p and use the savings for other things.. Government departments are paid for by "we the people" who have no say.. and without the pressure of having to satisfy a customer they are free to carry on bumbling along. At least if your energy supplier gives you bad service or you dislike the ethics of your grocery store you have the option to change to one you prefer.. :rolleyes:

desperado2

mandie2106 wrote: »

In this current market there isnt room for guilt lol. You have gotten through this process the same as anyoen else, and regardless of your life plans, you should take this job if, at the present time, you need to. I actually dont think it would make any difference if the whole of the government read this forum. They have a way of working things and our gripes wont change that (unfortunately), and as much as this particular recruitment drive has gone a bit tits up (for lack of a better phrase) the reasoning behind it seems logical. DWP werent happy with recruiting in smaller numbers....instead they got up the hopes of half the nation only to freeze on most of us and leave a large number of people hanging. If they had recruited less people we would equally have had disappointed ppl (this way is harder...but the good part is that most of them will get the call eventually). Believe me, i waited 6 months, and thats a logn wait by any standards...but i got my job.

47 going on 87 lol....im 26 going on 56, thanks to all the grey hair DWP gave me in the last few months. But hey, it doesnt hurt haha

A bit Tits up is a generous assessment! :D I find it appalling to read each day so many folk anxious and uninformed of what's happening, it would take a relatively small amount of time to set up a subscription email service for each IRC number, then anyone following their job number could get an update now and then at little cost in time or effort for the DWP. I think most folk would be far more accepting of the slow process if they were kept informed of whats happening.

There is also a glaring problem with a system that takes so long to put a person in post that a reasonable percentage are no longer looking by the time the offer comes through.. If you think about it, they pay to recruit 120 folk for every 80 places they fill... so the recruitment costs (and they are high!) are 50% above what they need to be, let alone the wasted manpower that could be better used doing something practical that benefitted the population..

The job I applied for is allegedly an 18 month contract to provide extra staff at the Job Centre to handle the increased demand during the recession.. which will be over by the time they get folk in post! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Tits up? "a£$e up" too more like!

Hooray for you getting yours, I hope it goes well and you enjoy it. At least you can spend some of the wages on L'Oreal to colour your greys!

desperado2

scooterchick wrote: »

The recruitment process is a tricky one to get right. As it stands everyone who achieved the pass mark in the interview went on the waitng list, regardless of how many posts there were. I guess DWP could have set the pass mark higher thus shortening the list or they could have simply employed the exact number they needed at the time and subsequently had to do further recruitment costing the tax payer yet more money.

I know it's been frustrating for a lot of people the long wait, the hopes getting raised but none of the letters stated that if you were on the waiting list you would def get a job. The waiting list letter stated that you had a succesful interview, would go on the waiting list and they hoped to offer you a position. What would the alternative have been?

Errm, surely the issue is "if there is a job, there shouldnt BE a waiting list!"

Has anyone ever gone for a job in the private sector and been put on a waiting list?? or do they say "yep, you are the person we want, this is the job and salary, when can you start.."..

Recruiting is a diffcult process to get right for sure, but Tesco can hire 1500 folk in 3 months no sweat, yet the Department for Work and Pensions cant decide if it needs anyone, how many it does or doesn't need, and takes so blessed long to recruit, a third of the people it says yes to have changed their mind or gone elsewhere..

How do you make it better? simple! you offer a job to someone the minute all your checking is done successfully, and if you find 30 competent folk for a job and only have 20 places, you offer the last 10 a place on a wait list, and give them first refusal for every job at the same grade as and when it comes available! it's not rocket science..;)

desperado2

Nicklt wrote: »

100% deffo go for it, this is what i hope to do. I have been offered an AO post but as soon as i see EO up for my area or other then i will be going for it. Reach for the skies!

AND GOOD LUCK!

Reach for the skies and even the stars Nicklt and others.. if you check your "competencies", you will see that the desire for self development is seen as a key asset, and so you should be positively discriminated towards, not against..

If you have the relevant grades and passes on your assessments, they should welcome your desire to progress.:D

Admittedly your individual line manager might not feel too great about training you, and then a few weeks/months later having to train your replacement before they get a decent return from you, but they can hardly object and give you a bad reference. I say Go for it big time.